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Quote from: Thebox on 09/02/2016 13:05:31Really ? if consciousness is slower than light , then how come I can consciously observe a distant planet before the light even arrives at my eyes?That statement is, without question, the most "unenlightened" response I have ever seen posted on this forum. I felt the need to post a quote for posterities sake out of fear the author might realize the shear ineptitude of it and edit it out before someone else was able to view it. Just saying...............................................
Really ? if consciousness is slower than light , then how come I can consciously observe a distant planet before the light even arrives at my eyes?
Quote from: Thebox on 09/02/2016 13:05:31Really ? if consciousness is slower than light , then how come I can consciously observe a distant planet before the light even arrives at my eyes?You can't "consciously observe a distant planet" unless the light from that planet reaches your eye. To claim that; "I can consciously observe a distant planet before the light even arrives at my eyes?" is bogus and I'm confident that you are smart enough to know that. Why you would make such a claim is beyond reason Mr. Box!
are you saying you do not perceive distance?
Quote from: Thebox on 09/02/2016 19:01:13are you saying you do not perceive distance?What I perceive Mr. Box, is you going in circles like that proverbial dog I spoke of earlier. Always going in circles before he finally sits down. Eventually, when it finally comes to you, you may take a needed rest and sit down for a while.
Box, this is a very simple visual experiment that you can conduct yourself, presuming you have access to a railway station...But.. before I start, I want to make it absolutely clear that the visual result of this experiment is NOT a length contraction. So... so long as we are clear on that...Ok, stand on the right hand side end of a railway platform, as far away from the edge as you are able, or up to about 20 ft or so, and fix your vision directly across the track upon the platform opposite. It is important that your vision remain fixed to this spot. As a train pulls into the station, you will see the trains carriages zipping past your fixed position of vision. You will notice that the train has carriages because of the gaps between the carriages. As the train reduces in speed, from your visually fixed position, you will notice that the train carriages appear to be getting longer, and longer, until the train comes to a stop.Now then box, because you are also interested in time, but let me be very clear, this is NOT an example of time dilation... I suggest you quickly run to the left hand end of the platform and assume the visually fixed position of fixing your vision directly across at the opposite platform. As the train leaves the station, start counting as soon as you see the front end of a carriage go past... one, one thousand, two, one thousand, and so on, until the end of the carriage passes your vision. Then start counting from one again when the front of the next carriage passes your vision, and so on. As the train picks up speed leaving the railway station, you will notice that the carriages takes less and less 'time' to pass you, as well as looking shorter.Although both of these examples are NOT relativistic effects, they are about as close a representation that you will find as a visual experience in earth's reference frame.
Ah box... now we are getting somewhere, because yes I am describing acceleration, and you are correct in your notions of a constant speed... at least .By switching the polarities and keeping the speed of the train at a constant speed, let's say 3mph... and counting off one, one thousand, 2 one thousand, and so on, from front of carriages to back of carriages at faster or slower 'rates', then the possibility of a length contraction/expansion effect will become apparent to you, in consideration of the trains constant speed.If you can grasp this concept, then you are further along your path of understanding relativity.As to the rest, I'll leave you there, and seriously, I wish you well in your further explorations of physics...All the best!
I understood length contraction in the first place, a meaningless parlour trick, relative to the object, the object does not contract it just appears to contract to the observation. It is relatively really poor science or poor definition. I would call it an observation contraction due to the relative velocity of the observed.
Quote from: Thebox on 10/02/2016 17:02:46I understood length contraction in the first place, a meaningless parlour trick, relative to the object, the object does not contract it just appears to contract to the observation. It is relatively really poor science or poor definition. I would call it an observation contraction due to the relative velocity of the observed.It is interesting that you have consistently denied the validity of The Lorentz transformation but now agree with it and attempt to explain your change of heart by waving it off as our misunderstanding of what you previously meant.I seem to remember someone bringing up the question of honesty.One's character is revealed in their personal mirror of reflection, whether honest or dishonest.
Originally I thought you meant that an object actually shrinks, and I thought I was explaining that an object does not shrink it is just a perspective view change, I though I was being told something else, sorry it got confusing, Yes a Lorentz perspective view change happens, but relatively it means bugger all.
Quote from: Thebox on 10/02/2016 19:03:48Originally I thought you meant that an object actually shrinks, and I thought I was explaining that an object does not shrink it is just a perspective view change, I though I was being told something else, sorry it got confusing, Yes a Lorentz perspective view change happens, but relatively it means bugger all.We all make mistakes Mr. Box, don't let it quench your enthusiasm.
Well nothing will quench my thirst until I exist.
Quote from: Thebox on 10/02/2016 19:13:31Well nothing will quench my thirst until I exist.Not sure what you mean there? Did you mean to say "exit" instead of "exist"?
You have taken the first step towards understanding relativity, and indeed towards accepting exactly what I said 7 pages ago in reply #1. But far from a "meaningless parlour trick", special relativity explains and predicts pretty much everything we observe in space travel and particle physics.
No, I meant exist, someone does not exist in body alone, I want to be timeless , a part of history before I exit. In simple terms I would love my name in Wiki. I am proud of my children I would love them to be proud of me.
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Quote from: Thebox on 10/02/2016 19:21:04No, I meant exist, someone does not exist in body alone, I want to be timeless , a part of history before I exit. In simple terms I would love my name in Wiki. I am proud of my children I would love them to be proud of me.But I thought you placed no confidence in Wiki?BTW, wanting your children to be proud of you is admirable Mr. Box. That gives me some faith in you Sir!