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If you continue down this path of things coming out of black holes, then I am locking the thread. You know very well that is a component of your Theory D threads which have been closed. You're not sneaking that past me.
Dear Dave,I Appreciate you going thru the evidential links i provided in such a detailed manner.I think i kinda understand your point of view now.You ain't interested in Cause & Effect scenarios.
Well, what if i ask You...Why did you choose the Subject/Title of this OP as.." How black hole really works ".What Evidence is there for the Existence of a Black Hole?
We know that gas isn't getting out of the black hole because that would break the laws of physics: matter cannot exit the event horizon.
Corona & flare that are due to normal Electromagnetic activity
Therefore, it is very clear that the total matter that the cygnus-x-1-the-black-hole ejects is greater than the mass that it consumes from the orbital Star.
As the star is so massive, there is even a possibility that the real gas flow is from the BH to the star and not vice versa. Therefore, I wonder, why the science community didn't even try to verify what is the real gas flow direction .
Quote from: Dave Lev on 12/04/2023 05:10:17Therefore, it is very clear that the total matter that the cygnus-x-1-the-black-hole ejects is greater than the mass that it consumes from the orbital Star.It is not clear at all. How did you come up with that conclusion?
Quote from: Dave Lev on 12/04/2023 05:10:17 Corona & flare that are due to normal Electromagnetic activity What do you think is the energy source of that activity?
However, as the total matter that the cygnus-x-1-the-black-hole ejects is greater than the mass that it consumes from the orbital Star
there might be an error in the assumption that "the gas in the accretion disk is coming from the star."
1. The BH is the most massive stellar-mass black hole that can be produced
This makes the object the largest stellar-mass black hole ever discovered without the use of gravitational waves.
If we don't know the real flow of gas between the BH to its star, why are you so sure that the total gas mass that the BH consumes (slowly or any) per year from that star is greater than the total gas mass that it ejects outwards as a jet stream from its poles at a speed of light?
What's wrong with the SMBH magnetic field?
why are you so sure that the total gas mass that the BH consumes (slowly or any) per year from that star is greater than the total gas mass that it ejects outwards as a jet stream from its poles at a speed of light?
1. The BH is the most massive stellar-mass black hole that can be producedYes or No?2. The area around the BH is full with gasYes or No?3. The orbital star is also very massive and full with gasYes or No?4. The outwards jet stream from the poles of the BH is very strong and expected to be at almost the speed of light.Yes or no?5. It is stated that "the star in that system is slowly being pulled apart and consumed by the black hole".Yes or no?
If the answers for all the above are "yes" then:
QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on Today at 05:10:17there might be an error in the assumption that "the gas in the accretion disk is coming from the star."That's the only place it could be coming from. You even agreed with me when I said that gas can't get out of the black hole. So it has to be going from star to black hole and not the other way around.
Quote from: Dave Lev on Today at 05:10:17there might be an error in the assumption that "the gas in the accretion disk is coming from the star."
Because that's the only logical possibility. Black holes do not emit gas.
Quote from: Dave Lev on 12/04/2023 15:55:11What's wrong with the SMBH magnetic field?What's wrong is that it hasn't enough energy and, of course, even if it was, you need to explain where the BH got that energy from.
We are sure because things fall down, not up.
The Logical possibility that the gas/matter has to be going from star to black hole and not the other way around is very clear.
However, don't you agree that we need to justify this Logical possibility by real observation?So, when we look at this specific BH, do we really observe that the gas in the accretion disk is coming from the star and not vice versa?
Do you confirm that so far, we have never observed any real star as it falls into a SMBH?
1) How can We be sure Cygnus X-1 is Spitting out more than it's Eating?
QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on Yesterday at 19:40:59The Logical possibility that the gas/matter has to be going from star to black hole and not the other way around is very clear.Then you should stop arguing against it because you are arguing against logic without any evidence that it is wrong.
Quote from: Dave Lev on Yesterday at 19:40:59The Logical possibility that the gas/matter has to be going from star to black hole and not the other way around is very clear.
Yes, we know that it is coming from the star because it coming out of the black hole is impossible. Impossible things don't happen.
Again, I fully agree that it is impossible for any matter to come out from the SMBH
I estimate that the total mass in the outflow jet stream is higher than the slow inflow
Quote from: Dave Lev on 13/04/2023 20:29:44Again, I fully agree that it is impossible for any matter to come out from the SMBHThen that answers your questions: when you eliminate the impossible, then whatever remains must be the truth. Since it's impossible for gas to be coming out of the black hole and moving towards the star, then the remaining option is that the gas is coming out of the star and moving towards the black hole. It's an either-or scenario. When one option is removed, the only remaining option is the correct one.
2. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/galex20120502.html"We are seeing the glow from the stellar gas falling into the black hole over time. We're also witnessing the spectral signature of the ejected gas, which we find to be mostly helium. It is like we are gathering evidence from a crime scene."So, they clearly see the ejected gas.However, why they claim that they "are seeing the glow from the stellar gas falling into the black hole over time."What is the real meaning of "over time"If they see the gas that is falling into the BH, then they have to claim that:"We are seeing the glow from the stellar gas falling into the black hole"Therefore, I think that they don't see any gas that is falling in, however, they just hope that "over time" the gas that they have observed would fall in.
4. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2023/hubble-finds-hungry-black-hole-twisting-captured-star-into-donut-shape"The Hubble spectroscopic data are interpreted as coming from a very bright, hot, donut-shaped area of gas that was once the star. This area, known as a torus, is the size of the solar system and is swirling around a black hole in the middle.""We're looking somewhere on the edge of that donut. We're seeing a stellar wind from the black hole sweeping over the surface that's being projected towards us at speeds of 20 million miles per hour (three percent the speed of light),So, they see stellar projected towards us at speeds of three percent the speed of light, which is all about outflow.
QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on Yesterday at 20:29:44I estimate that the total mass in the outflow jet stream is higher than the slow inflowThen where is that extra mass coming from?
Quote from: Dave Lev on Yesterday at 20:29:44I estimate that the total mass in the outflow jet stream is higher than the slow inflow
Sorry, that is incorrect.
There are other options which I do not wish to open.
Our logic about the possible and impossible is not good enough.
Sorry, it is not my mission to answer this question.
Either the gas is moving from the star to the black hole or from the black hole to the star. We know that moving from the black hole is impossible.
The only other option is that the gas isn't moving towards either the black hole or the star but is sitting still instead. That option is also impossible because of gravity. So here is what we have:(1) The gas is moving from the star to the black hole.(2) The gas is moving from the black hole to the star.(3) The gas isn't moving but is stuck between the black hole and star.Tell me how there can possibly be a fourth option.
If there are only two options and we know one is impossible, deductive reasoning proves that the remaining option has to be the right one.
QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on Today at 06:13:22It is not my mission to answer this question.It is if you want to be taken seriously.
Quote from: Dave Lev on Today at 06:13:22It is not my mission to answer this question
Your intuition isn't good enough.
My mission was to show you that the current understanding of falling stars is just incorrect.I have fully accomplished this mission.
Therefore, you have to take this mission seriously.
However, if you disqualify my intuition, then you should also disqualify any other intuition that isn't based on real observation.
it refuses to eat even one single atom?
From the first day that we observe the Universe, we have never ever observe any star as it falls into the SMBH.
Therefore, it's the time for all of us to abandon the intuition of falling stars without real backup observation.