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Men in their 30s and 40s also fall prey to low testosterone counts. It's a disorder called hypogonadism, and it can be caused by an undescended testicle, a testicular injury, a pituitary gland disorder or even prescription drugs.
demo,have you ever been tested for 'hypogonadism'?(appologises if this has been talked prev on forum)"Men in their 30s and 40s also fall prey to low testosterone counts. It's a disorder called hypogonadism, and it can be caused by an undescended testicle, a testicular injury, a pituitary gland disorder or even prescription drugs." http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/boosttes.htmhttp://www.nowloss.com/ways-to-increase-testosterone-levels-naturally-without-using-steroids.htm
Hmmm, made me wonder. It seems then, that there must be others out there with low testosterone, but that don't have POIS... So then is the low T a side effect of something else?Interesting point Daveboy.
Do I have Hypogonadism or POIS?My endocrinologist writes "hypogonadism" in his labwork orders for my bloodtests. (If he wrote "POIS" - an unrecognized malady - I'm sure that would create undesirable questions in the lab). Hypogonadism means that the body produces insufficient levels of testosterone. Which is exactly what they found in my blood testing: low testosterone (along with very high prolactin).I was prescribed testosterone relacement therapy (TRT), which, most happily, cures my POIS 90%+. What is confusing to me is that TRT is also the treatment for hypogonadism. But my symptoms are clearly POIS, and I don't see a symptom-similarity between POIS and hypogonadism.Does this make sense?ps - About 2 hours after writing the above, I found John's old post below. Now my question is "Do hypogonadism symptoms sometimes last for DAYS or weeks after orgasm?" If they do, maybe this is a new discovery! Do I (and others "with POIS" who are primarily affected by low testosterone) simply have a form of hypogonadism and not POIS?
Rob"I have generally stopped ejaculating for two years now in order to heal my body but have seen very little improvement. I've also improved my diet and avoid eating anything unhealthy. Right now I'm taking royal jelly powder and olive leaf extract to treat my condition but haven't seen any effects so far."Welcome.How much olive leaf extract do you use and how long hav you been using it. I calculated pablo's 50ml per day is equal to 250 mg of pure olive leaf extract and the extra 30ml is equal to 150mg of pure olive extract tablet wise.
Quote from: robb23 on 04/04/2010 06:12:36I took some blood tests last year and discovered I had low total testosterone, 407 ng/dl on a scale of 400-1080 ng/dl. Results from two later tests were even lower, 9.056 nmol/L and 9.682 nmol/L (on a scale of 6.07-27.1 nmol/L). Doctors said these levels were all "within normal range" but they look very low to me. Robb, my testosterone treatment has been very successful against POIS. My theory is that for those who testosterone can help with POIS, higher-than-average levels of testosterone are needed. Here are some posts relating to my treatment: newbielink:http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=demografx+testosterone+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&rlz=1W1DAUS_en&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=467c3568f2eec009 [nonactive]Best wishes and welcome again!
I took some blood tests last year and discovered I had low total testosterone, 407 ng/dl on a scale of 400-1080 ng/dl. Results from two later tests were even lower, 9.056 nmol/L and 9.682 nmol/L (on a scale of 6.07-27.1 nmol/L). Doctors said these levels were all "within normal range" but they look very low to me.
I'm following his recommendation and taking 50 ml each day mixed with 500 ml water. I've taken it for a week so far but seen no effects.
Quote from: robb23 on 05/04/2010 03:45:46I'm following his recommendation and taking 50 ml each day mixed with 500 ml water. I've taken it for a week so far but seen no effects.Hi robb23,Just so we're all on the same page here, when you say that you're taking 50 ml per day, doesn't that basically come out to a whole 2-ounce bottle per day? That seems expensive--how much does that cost you per day?
Quote from: robb23 on 04/04/2010 06:12:36Doctors said these levels were all "within normal range" but they look very low to me. Seems that's not surprising at all from what I've heard here.... I still have to take my tests, but when I do, I'm going to bring them straight here, much more apt to get a better diagmostic than most doctors will give.Personally this hormone stuff is way over my head, almost scarey to me, not to be able to get my mind around it. But I feel a lot of good support and knowledge (and SYMPATHY) here.So good luck.
Doctors said these levels were all "within normal range" but they look very low to me.
demo,no i just it was interesting that undescended testicle was listed as a possible cause for hypogonadism.Robb,Can you put your low testosterone to any of these (from the article):undescended testicle, a testicular injury, a pituitary gland disorder or even prescription drugs?"Would it be too early to start treatment at 25?"difficult to answer, remember we're not doctors...but there's 307 pages of good advice and stories.
Hi demo,I'm considering testosterone treatment but don't know if it would shut down my body's own testosterone production. Would it be too early to start treatment at 25?
I've been looking at herbs that might increase testosterone naturally and I found this website with several listed; this guy claims he raised his testosterone from 240 to 800 by cycling these herbshttp://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/testosterone-herbal.htmlhas anyone here tried these with positive results?
Made it to the chat room last night. Demo was there. It's a great parallel to the forum, we were talking about how deceiving internet interactions can be. You can "know" someone for years on internet, and not really KNOW them.The chat opens a depth to the personality, and also permits a more fluid interchange of spontaneous feelings and understanding. You see things that you don't see on the forum.It was fun too!
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Quote from: B_Jim on 05/04/2010 08:02:08 [xx(]Sorry Jim, get well soon!