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Quote from: timey on 31/01/2016 22:56:17It is a weird one box, relativity explains length contraction mathematically, but offers no reasonable explanation as to the causation of this phenomenon.Therefore, actually, the way is clear for a speculation... I personally speculate that because the rate of time for the contracted length is slowed via its velocity, an observer is viewing the length moving in a slower rate of time relative to their own. An observer viewing an event from their faster rate of time, will not have 'the time' in which to view the entirety of the length as it moves within it's slower rate of time, causing the length to appear contracted to the observer.However, a length and a distance are 2 different things. A length is a measurement of matter, and a distance is a measurement of space. The stretching of the fabric of outer space also affects distances according to GR.It is true that science has had the benefit of many great minds, but on the other hand, logically speaking, it is in fact an act of sheer stupidity to consider our knowledge of the universe as wise... Our 2 best working theories cannot be fully united. If they could, discussions such as this would be redundant...Well yes, normally when there is a piece of maths it suppose to represent something physically observed. I observe no contraction personally so it is a bit fairy tale like.
It is a weird one box, relativity explains length contraction mathematically, but offers no reasonable explanation as to the causation of this phenomenon.Therefore, actually, the way is clear for a speculation... I personally speculate that because the rate of time for the contracted length is slowed via its velocity, an observer is viewing the length moving in a slower rate of time relative to their own. An observer viewing an event from their faster rate of time, will not have 'the time' in which to view the entirety of the length as it moves within it's slower rate of time, causing the length to appear contracted to the observer.However, a length and a distance are 2 different things. A length is a measurement of matter, and a distance is a measurement of space. The stretching of the fabric of outer space also affects distances according to GR.It is true that science has had the benefit of many great minds, but on the other hand, logically speaking, it is in fact an act of sheer stupidity to consider our knowledge of the universe as wise... Our 2 best working theories cannot be fully united. If they could, discussions such as this would be redundant...
If anyone needs a definitive answer to a scientific question then Alan, Evan_au, ChiralSPO, Colin2B and others I may have forgotten will provide it. They are all prepared to stand corrected by others when they are shown to be wrong in their understanding. To effectively challenge mainstream ideas requires an understanding that you can't get from pop science books. Also adopting a user name based on a pet theory should sound alarm bells.
Quote from: jeffreyH on 06/02/2016 23:49:53If anyone needs a definitive answer to a scientific question then Alan, Evan_au, ChiralSPO, Colin2B and others I may have forgotten will provide it. They are all prepared to stand corrected by others when they are shown to be wrong in their understanding. To effectively challenge mainstream ideas requires an understanding that you can't get from pop science books. Also adopting a user name based on a pet theory should sound alarm bells.An understanding of the universe cannot be attained by a school education either, no matter how much your parents paid, and paid for or not, a school education is no guarantee of a persons personal intellect.A full understanding of the universe is yet to exist.P.S. I hadn't realised Thebox... had a theory called Thebox... I'll have to do a search, aye
Quote from: Thebox on 01/02/2016 06:52:49Quote from: timey on 31/01/2016 22:56:17It is a weird one box, relativity explains length contraction mathematically, but offers no reasonable explanation as to the causation of this phenomenon.Therefore, actually, the way is clear for a speculation... I personally speculate that because the rate of time for the contracted length is slowed via its velocity, an observer is viewing the length moving in a slower rate of time relative to their own. An observer viewing an event from their faster rate of time, will not have 'the time' in which to view the entirety of the length as it moves within it's slower rate of time, causing the length to appear contracted to the observer.However, a length and a distance are 2 different things. A length is a measurement of matter, and a distance is a measurement of space. The stretching of the fabric of outer space also affects distances according to GR.It is true that science has had the benefit of many great minds, but on the other hand, logically speaking, it is in fact an act of sheer stupidity to consider our knowledge of the universe as wise... Our 2 best working theories cannot be fully united. If they could, discussions such as this would be redundant...Well yes, normally when there is a piece of maths it suppose to represent something physically observed. I observe no contraction personally so it is a bit fairy tale like.This being, box, because space time within our macro environment is only distorted to a very, very small fraction, of a fraction, of a second.I think, after much reflection, that the answer to your question under the remit of established physics is:"Is distance an invariant?" ... yes, and, no!
Ah... Hmmmm, OK, Lol, I can see that I might have to start reading your posts...(Don't mind me too much, just having myself a mild troll)
Quote from: timey on 07/02/2016 21:02:05Quote from: jeffreyH on 06/02/2016 23:49:53If anyone needs a definitive answer to a scientific question then Alan, Evan_au, ChiralSPO, Colin2B and others I may have forgotten will provide it. They are all prepared to stand corrected by others when they are shown to be wrong in their understanding. To effectively challenge mainstream ideas requires an understanding that you can't get from pop science books. Also adopting a user name based on a pet theory should sound alarm bells.An understanding of the universe cannot be attained by a school education either, no matter how much your parents paid, and paid for or not, a school education is no guarantee of a persons personal intellect.A full understanding of the universe is yet to exist.P.S. I hadn't realised Thebox... had a theory called Thebox... I'll have to do a search, aye I have not got a theory called the box.
Quote from: timey on 07/02/2016 20:28:11Ah... Hmmmm, OK, Lol, I can see that I might have to start reading your posts...(Don't mind me too much, just having myself a mild troll)Be my guest timey, I'm sure you'll find a few contradictions and errors along the way. Like many people searching for the truth, I've had to change my mind several times when confronted with evidence. It's called "growth", something a few of us have resisted since their initial membership began.
You should realise now you please need to explain why no?
Can't I explain why distance is an invariant instead?
Quote from: timey on 07/02/2016 22:27:09Can't I explain why distance is an invariant instead? No, because the question is "is distance an absolute invariant"The floor is your's.
Now then box, the answer to your question: Is distance an 'absolute' invariant?Is: As set out by established physics. No!If you ask me 'why' now, I'm going to scream!!!
Quote from: timey on 07/02/2016 23:12:46Now then box, the answer to your question: Is distance an 'absolute' invariant?Is: As set out by established physics. No!If you ask me 'why' now, I'm going to scream!!!Simple and concise answer my man, Mr. Box should appreciate that a great deal even though this has been the umpteenth time that question has been answered. If Mr. Box wants an answer to why we know this, let it suffice to say: "Because that result is what relativistic math and experiment reveal." Now as to the singular question "why"; Maybe a similar answer as to; "why does a dog circle itself twice before setting down?"Only the dog knows for sure!
Quote from: Thebox on 07/02/2016 21:18:08Quote from: timey on 07/02/2016 21:02:05Quote from: jeffreyH on 06/02/2016 23:49:53If anyone needs a definitive answer to a scientific question then Alan, Evan_au, ChiralSPO, Colin2B and others I may have forgotten will provide it. They are all prepared to stand corrected by others when they are shown to be wrong in their understanding. To effectively challenge mainstream ideas requires an understanding that you can't get from pop science books. Also adopting a user name based on a pet theory should sound alarm bells.An understanding of the universe cannot be attained by a school education either, no matter how much your parents paid, and paid for or not, a school education is no guarantee of a persons personal intellect.A full understanding of the universe is yet to exist.P.S. I hadn't realised Thebox... had a theory called Thebox... I'll have to do a search, aye I have not got a theory called the box.Aww, how cute is that?Tbh, box, I did in fact already know this. Try thinking it through a little bit further...
Quote from: timey on 07/02/2016 22:16:58Quote from: Thebox on 07/02/2016 21:18:08Quote from: timey on 07/02/2016 21:02:05Quote from: jeffreyH on 06/02/2016 23:49:53If anyone needs a definitive answer to a scientific question then Alan, Evan_au, ChiralSPO, Colin2B and others I may have forgotten will provide it. They are all prepared to stand corrected by others when they are shown to be wrong in their understanding. To effectively challenge mainstream ideas requires an understanding that you can't get from pop science books. Also adopting a user name based on a pet theory should sound alarm bells.An understanding of the universe cannot be attained by a school education either, no matter how much your parents paid, and paid for or not, a school education is no guarantee of a persons personal intellect.A full understanding of the universe is yet to exist.P.S. I hadn't realised Thebox... had a theory called Thebox... I'll have to do a search, aye I have not got a theory called the box.Aww, how cute is that?Tbh, box, I did in fact already know this. Try thinking it through a little bit further... Well I did think further and google the box theory to find a facebook page, green box, red box, yellow box, nothing I have not said in the past in a different way.
What experiment shows a length contraction, I do not believe this experiment exists?
Box, . I am the one with the time theory and the user name timey, OK?
Quote from: Thebox on 08/02/2016 10:19:17What experiment shows a length contraction, I do not believe this experiment exists?There have been several experiments that suggest verification for length contraction at near light speed. One such experiment using heavy ions has shown that the increase in nucleon density do to length contraction is the most logical conclusion. Heavy ions are spherical at rest but assume a flattened or pancake like shape at near light speeds. This experiment has been observed and verified at cyclotrons, commonly referred to as atom smashers. Maybe you should start looking up the material for yourself, the web or a good physics weekly would be a good start.
huh? I have no idea what you just said, what on Earth is an heavy ion suppose to be?
Quote from: Thebox on 08/02/2016 15:19:17huh? I have no idea what you just said, what on Earth is an heavy ion suppose to be? Look it up, you have shown no interest in what any of us have offered you freely to date. Unless you're willing to learn from reputable sources like most of the members here at TNS frequent, how can you honestly expect to learn or form accurate views about current scientific information? How are you ever going to learn anything Mr. Box if you won't trust the professionals that have the equipment and knowledge to preform these experiments? I'm sure you don't have a cyclotron at your residence and neither do any of us. We get our information from the facilities that do.