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Quote from: pois on 02/09/2012 12:04:03 And the problem starts much earlier than "post" orgasmic..... Discussion of this topic was warned not to be talked about, under the threat of banning from this site several years ago, so be careful, this is 'touchy' too.The problem most definitely starts earlier than "post-orgasm". In fact, I don't see a way that we ever find the root cause to this problem if we operate under the assumption that it doesn't. Is anybody here offended by that statement? BC if not i say we democratically remove it from the list of bannable offenses
And the problem starts much earlier than "post" orgasmic..... Discussion of this topic was warned not to be talked about, under the threat of banning from this site several years ago, so be careful, this is 'touchy' too.
Quote from: pois on 02/09/2012 12:04:03Quote from: kurtosis on 21/08/2012 10:13:37Quote from: CertainlyPOIS on 21/08/2012 02:59:20Quote from: Nightingale on 20/08/2012 22:09:43Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction? Do you have a background in psychology/psychiatry? If not, I really don't think this deserves an answer...Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).Oh really? If they did, do you think we would be doing all that we are doing here on these forums???why did you respond so harshly when he asked so nicely, he is just a curious person.For the benefit of Joe L. Ogan, POIS sufferers can be very touchy about any suggestion that the disease is psychiatric in origin. The reason for this is quite obvious when you think about it. The natural response for doctors hearing about such an illness is to assume some psychosexual condition brought about by anxiety and stress related to sexual acts. Some of us have experienced severe cognitive symptoms which have rendered us unable to function including displacement, severe memory loss, inability to concentrate accompanied by headaches, pain behind the eyes etc. From what I've read most POIS sufferers have been referred to psychiatrists (or variations thereof) but, despite taking the range of meds prescribed, not a single POIS sufferer has been cured by treatment of an anxiety disorder. That's really important to understand. There are sufferers who have taken their prescribed medication for months or years while still suffering POIS symptoms. I can't speak for everybody but I do feel a bit let down by the greater medical community. Apart from NORD, people suffering from a rare condition are being treated like lunatics, malingerers or both. I myself have experienced this whereupon a psychiatrists attempted to find anxiety issues that weren't there over 2 sessions. Whenever I said I wasn't worried about something, he'd ask "are you sure?". The psychiatrist decided that I was simply suffering from an acute anxiety disorder and needed yet more medication. Eventually I got to see another shrink who decided I wasn't demonstrating any of the normal symptoms of an anxiety disorder and sent me to an allergist. This is proving fruitful and after several blood tests it's clear that, for whatever reason, my body is constantly fighting some allergy. This has left me with a very dim view of psychiatrists and the prescription of drugs with uncertain actions and severe interactions to cure illnesses that may or may not be in someone's head. You will find that view elsewhere on the forum as there are anecdotes about telling the psychiatrist / psychologist that whatever treatment isn't working and effectively being told that you / the problem is stubborn and needs more drugs. That's why questions, no matter how well intentioned, about psychosomatic origins for POIS are like red rags to bulls. ...Kurtosis,I was impressed by your willingness to look at "touchy" topics on this forum.When I discovered four years ago that I had POIS, which had decimated my relational life for forty years, I struggled with the solutions and found nothing offered on this site to be successful. When I contacted Waldinger, he assured me that abstinence would stop the problem. At that point I had a decision to make, to keep fighting to find a way to be actively sexual or to find a way to accept the only known solution and find ways to live happily without sex, and in ten days it will be three years since I've been sexual with myself or others. I have not had one trace of the symptoms that plagued me since I was thirteen.People say to abstinence " Well we still have nocturnal emissions", but is that really the activity that is causing the lion's share of the symptoms? No, it is not. And the problem starts much earlier than "post" orgasmic. Once again, the second time I contacted Waldinger he assured me that that was true, too. Discussion of this topic was warned not to be talked about, under the threat of banning from this site several years ago, so be careful, this is 'touchy' too. The point is there is a way to solve this problem. It may not be what I like, but I care about solving the problem...not if I like the way it's solved.Hi Pois, I agree that's a touchy subject. I tried abstinence for about 4.5 years. It was enough to get a 1st class degree and to mostly finish a thesis in graduate school. This was a decision that I do not regret but if I look back at it, the point of the sacrifice was a great GPA which does not validate my life before, during or since. I didn't have frequent O's until 2 years after that and I noticed that I was still prone to mild depression which I have since been told is a symptom of not being sexually active. My experience is that NE's don't cause me much problems but that abstinence is not a complete cure as it is not physiologically normal. I would like to know whether Dr. Waldinger thinks abstinence is an option for younger sufferers? If he does I could direct him to several psychologists who would think it potentially harmful. Having said that, I have no problem with Dr. Waldinger or his research. However, the problem is that an abstinent life, to me, is a very difficult life. I asked myself why I was alive and came to the conclusion that if the goal was to be as intellectually productive as I could be then I would continue with celibacy. However, I do not believe this is a worthwhile goal and I also do not believe it is possible to live with a fracture in your mind which set the goals of a relatively normal life with a partner and, perhaps, a family and the goals of intellectual productivity in opposition. The pressure between the 2 was too great for me. This is not really a scientific discussion. It's perhaps philosophical and has aspects of psychology that would seem unverifiable. This appears to me a discussion about choice. I fully respect your position but you're speaking as someone who has had 40 years of life which may have been Quotedecimated by POISbut was still varied, involved relationships and both the joy and pain they bring whether there's POIS or not. There are people who have illnesses and circumstances beyond POIS that have affected their relationships. Abstinence is an option but it may be impossible to achieve as it's in direct opposition to our normal human impulses and physiology.However, I think that your key point is that abstinence deals with the symptoms that we think of as POIS and that's correct in my experience with provisos on age and frequency of NE's. If I've misunderstood you, then let me know.
Quote from: kurtosis on 21/08/2012 10:13:37Quote from: CertainlyPOIS on 21/08/2012 02:59:20Quote from: Nightingale on 20/08/2012 22:09:43Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction? Do you have a background in psychology/psychiatry? If not, I really don't think this deserves an answer...Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).Oh really? If they did, do you think we would be doing all that we are doing here on these forums???why did you respond so harshly when he asked so nicely, he is just a curious person.For the benefit of Joe L. Ogan, POIS sufferers can be very touchy about any suggestion that the disease is psychiatric in origin. The reason for this is quite obvious when you think about it. The natural response for doctors hearing about such an illness is to assume some psychosexual condition brought about by anxiety and stress related to sexual acts. Some of us have experienced severe cognitive symptoms which have rendered us unable to function including displacement, severe memory loss, inability to concentrate accompanied by headaches, pain behind the eyes etc. From what I've read most POIS sufferers have been referred to psychiatrists (or variations thereof) but, despite taking the range of meds prescribed, not a single POIS sufferer has been cured by treatment of an anxiety disorder. That's really important to understand. There are sufferers who have taken their prescribed medication for months or years while still suffering POIS symptoms. I can't speak for everybody but I do feel a bit let down by the greater medical community. Apart from NORD, people suffering from a rare condition are being treated like lunatics, malingerers or both. I myself have experienced this whereupon a psychiatrists attempted to find anxiety issues that weren't there over 2 sessions. Whenever I said I wasn't worried about something, he'd ask "are you sure?". The psychiatrist decided that I was simply suffering from an acute anxiety disorder and needed yet more medication. Eventually I got to see another shrink who decided I wasn't demonstrating any of the normal symptoms of an anxiety disorder and sent me to an allergist. This is proving fruitful and after several blood tests it's clear that, for whatever reason, my body is constantly fighting some allergy. This has left me with a very dim view of psychiatrists and the prescription of drugs with uncertain actions and severe interactions to cure illnesses that may or may not be in someone's head. You will find that view elsewhere on the forum as there are anecdotes about telling the psychiatrist / psychologist that whatever treatment isn't working and effectively being told that you / the problem is stubborn and needs more drugs. That's why questions, no matter how well intentioned, about psychosomatic origins for POIS are like red rags to bulls. ...Kurtosis,I was impressed by your willingness to look at "touchy" topics on this forum.When I discovered four years ago that I had POIS, which had decimated my relational life for forty years, I struggled with the solutions and found nothing offered on this site to be successful. When I contacted Waldinger, he assured me that abstinence would stop the problem. At that point I had a decision to make, to keep fighting to find a way to be actively sexual or to find a way to accept the only known solution and find ways to live happily without sex, and in ten days it will be three years since I've been sexual with myself or others. I have not had one trace of the symptoms that plagued me since I was thirteen.People say to abstinence " Well we still have nocturnal emissions", but is that really the activity that is causing the lion's share of the symptoms? No, it is not. And the problem starts much earlier than "post" orgasmic. Once again, the second time I contacted Waldinger he assured me that that was true, too. Discussion of this topic was warned not to be talked about, under the threat of banning from this site several years ago, so be careful, this is 'touchy' too. The point is there is a way to solve this problem. It may not be what I like, but I care about solving the problem...not if I like the way it's solved.
Quote from: CertainlyPOIS on 21/08/2012 02:59:20Quote from: Nightingale on 20/08/2012 22:09:43Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction? Do you have a background in psychology/psychiatry? If not, I really don't think this deserves an answer...Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).Oh really? If they did, do you think we would be doing all that we are doing here on these forums???why did you respond so harshly when he asked so nicely, he is just a curious person.For the benefit of Joe L. Ogan, POIS sufferers can be very touchy about any suggestion that the disease is psychiatric in origin. The reason for this is quite obvious when you think about it. The natural response for doctors hearing about such an illness is to assume some psychosexual condition brought about by anxiety and stress related to sexual acts. Some of us have experienced severe cognitive symptoms which have rendered us unable to function including displacement, severe memory loss, inability to concentrate accompanied by headaches, pain behind the eyes etc. From what I've read most POIS sufferers have been referred to psychiatrists (or variations thereof) but, despite taking the range of meds prescribed, not a single POIS sufferer has been cured by treatment of an anxiety disorder. That's really important to understand. There are sufferers who have taken their prescribed medication for months or years while still suffering POIS symptoms. I can't speak for everybody but I do feel a bit let down by the greater medical community. Apart from NORD, people suffering from a rare condition are being treated like lunatics, malingerers or both. I myself have experienced this whereupon a psychiatrists attempted to find anxiety issues that weren't there over 2 sessions. Whenever I said I wasn't worried about something, he'd ask "are you sure?". The psychiatrist decided that I was simply suffering from an acute anxiety disorder and needed yet more medication. Eventually I got to see another shrink who decided I wasn't demonstrating any of the normal symptoms of an anxiety disorder and sent me to an allergist. This is proving fruitful and after several blood tests it's clear that, for whatever reason, my body is constantly fighting some allergy. This has left me with a very dim view of psychiatrists and the prescription of drugs with uncertain actions and severe interactions to cure illnesses that may or may not be in someone's head. You will find that view elsewhere on the forum as there are anecdotes about telling the psychiatrist / psychologist that whatever treatment isn't working and effectively being told that you / the problem is stubborn and needs more drugs. That's why questions, no matter how well intentioned, about psychosomatic origins for POIS are like red rags to bulls. ...
Quote from: Nightingale on 20/08/2012 22:09:43Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction? Do you have a background in psychology/psychiatry? If not, I really don't think this deserves an answer...Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).Oh really? If they did, do you think we would be doing all that we are doing here on these forums???why did you respond so harshly when he asked so nicely, he is just a curious person.
Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction? Do you have a background in psychology/psychiatry? If not, I really don't think this deserves an answer...Quote from: Joe L. Ogan on 20/08/2012 00:56:55The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).Oh really? If they did, do you think we would be doing all that we are doing here on these forums???
Is it possible that is is some sort of Psychological reaction?
The medical field does not appear to be aware of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome(POIS).
decimated by POIS
Wow! Congrats to Daveman, we are very lucky to have him in our team !
I also have this condition and I have quite many other allergies, tinnitus, sleeping dissorder and flu like symptoms after ejaculation. Trouble with burning eyes, sneezing, freezing and severe mental problems like total lifeless state of mind. I also had a severe masturbation addiction when i was young which i believe causes this POIS problem, I also had a circumcision when i was 23 yo. Does anyone else recognize themselves with this?
Hijferr All of us have the same symptoms,but dont forget that masturbation is the reason of pois,i got pois after severe masturbation several times aday per a week,the symptoms have lettle effect when i do it with my wife.but i dont know why!!.
Quote from: meteo74 on 08/09/2012 16:22:58Hijferr All of us have the same symptoms,but dont forget that masturbation is the reason of pois,i got pois after severe masturbation several times aday per a week,the symptoms have lettle effect when i do it with my wife.but i dont know why!!.Yes, If Masturbation is done under different styles, POIS effect is different. Very stragne.
My POIS is back. Again After one and half or two months of success from Neem, from last one week, I am getting POIS, even though I have taken Neem. Very bad ......Hence, what next.
Greetings,Are there any legitimate Scientists on this with a venucular greater than the volume of a reptilian brain?Please read my previous thread and provide an assessment as opposed to the poor responses equivalent to that of a junior in High School.All the best.
Are there any legitimate Scientists on this with a venucular greater than the volume of a reptilian brain?