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Re. the fish oil, I'm not convinced that it's just about getting large amounts of EPA and DHA in our diets. Salmon is undoubtedly effective but some expensive fish oils with very high amounts of epa and dha per capsule have less effect for me than cheaper cod liver oil and krill oil, which is expensive but contains less EPA / DHA. There's something else at play here which seems to effect how easily and quickly the omega 3 can be used by our brains. This is not obvious from the cursory chemical analysis details shown on most supplements.
First, If I take a multi-vitamin with "the works", it makes me worse, often much worse.
Quote from: daveman on 26/01/2012 11:13:45First, If I take a multi-vitamin with "the works", it makes me worse, often much worse. Daveman, I found the exact Same thing years ago when I was just randomly taking vitamins for POIS (which I didn't know was POIS at the time). I ended up feeling absolutely terrible.Re: Haven't posted in awhile so wanted to give a quick update on my Niacin. I am continually taking Niacin before O (300mg) and am finding it still beneficial, usually roughly in the order of 70-80% plus or minus 20% - Meaning sometimes it can be less, and sometimes can be close to 100% effective.
Quote from: kurtosis on 24/01/2012 20:47:43 Re. the fish oil, I'm not convinced that it's just about getting large amounts of EPA and DHA in our diets. Salmon is undoubtedly effective but some expensive fish oils with very high amounts of epa and dha per capsule have less effect for me than cheaper cod liver oil and krill oil, which is expensive but contains less EPA / DHA. There's something else at play here which seems to effect how easily and quickly the omega 3 can be used by our brains. This is not obvious from the cursory chemical analysis details shown on most supplements. Kurtosis, thank you for bringing your experience with supplements. Did you try a fish oil with approximately 2gr DHA and 400mg EPA (same as in one serving of salmon)? DHA and EPA compete with each other so it's sometimes better to take them separately. It's explained here: http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T408369.htmlIn the same page they reported a study saying 1.8g/day of DHA increases insulin sensitivity. Fenugreek and garlic act on insulin sensitivity as well. Of course salmon contains a lot of other nutrients acting alone or together, it's not necessarily DHA the effective ingredient.
Quote from: jivetalk on 26/01/2012 14:40:50Quote from: daveman on 26/01/2012 11:13:45First, If I take a multi-vitamin with "the works", it makes me worse, often much worse. Daveman, I found the exact Same thing years ago when I was just randomly taking vitamins for POIS (which I didn't know was POIS at the time). I ended up feeling absolutely terrible.Re: Haven't posted in awhile so wanted to give a quick update on my Niacin. I am continually taking Niacin before O (300mg) and am finding it still beneficial, usually roughly in the order of 70-80% plus or minus 20% - Meaning sometimes it can be less, and sometimes can be close to 100% effective. Has 300 mg been pretty normal for you. And that gives you a moderate flush?Each one seems to have their levels, and the flush is sort of the guideline. 300 would have me pretty fried!
QuoteUsually, the skin is more sensitive after shaving it, so i don't know if it's a normal reaction or not.I wondered if we can simulate a prique-test by using a shaver and removing epidermis on a short area of the skin, and then put semen.
Usually, the skin is more sensitive after shaving it, so i don't know if it's a normal reaction or not.
I have bought niacin 300mg (inositol hexanicotinate) and astaxanthin 4mg. I hope it will work.
I've gone off Krill oil since I found Acetyl -L- Carnitine
So, is the cure for POIS found?
What is the best medication for it till now?
Yes, it's a flush free form. It's hard for me to believe the niacin flush is the cause of Pois improvement, but all is possible. Anyway I have chose this one because it was more easy for me to buy with astaxanthin. The other advantage is that this form seems safer for liver. This form seems effective against Raynaud's syndrome.(In the severe form, the fingers become fully white or blue, the pictures are impressive) I don't know how this can be linkef to fingertips symptoms or vasodilation theories.This time I will take it on an empty stomach.For astaxanthin, I have some hopes.
POIson does this work with all your cognitive symptoms? Does it help fatigue at all?interesting here that Acetyl-L-Carnitine is said to reduce HPA axis hyperactivity although this isn't the most scientific looking website. We've had a few discussions about HPA-axis in the past I think
Quote POIson does this work with all your cognitive symptoms? Does it help fatigue at all?interesting here that Acetyl-L-Carnitine is said to reduce HPA axis hyperactivity although this isn't the most scientific looking website. We've had a few discussions about HPA-axis in the past I thinkYes, Acety-L-Carnitine is definitely helping my cognition and energy. I can remember things much better as well as get things done because I have the energy and focus to do so. I don't think I have taken anything which has made me more motivated to finish things.You may be onto something about the HPA Axis I have read quite a bit about it and at one time even dropped a couple of grand for treatments at a clinic that treated chronic fatigue patients,thinking I had chronic fatigue syndrome. The doctor there said my fatigue had to do with a bacteria attacking my HPA Axis.Never felt worse in my life than going there as the antibiotic treatments caused all sorts of health issues such as mild seizures that occasionally exist today.Its highly likely a virus or a stressful experience caused havoc on my HPA axis or immune symptoms making me overreact to having an O which my body somehow takes as a threat . The other strange thing is I can't tolerate hot showers or baths. If I take a very hot shower its like POIS(similar symptoms) 2x or more for at least a week. Originally though i might have MS,but not all the symptoms match,and that's pretty much a dead end anyway as far as treatment goes,so I'm hoping if I just stay away from hot baths, and take supplements such as Acetyl-L Carnitine to help Pois I can at least live a tolerable life, if not an entirely enjoyable one.Also,thanks for providing those links,very interesting.I've seen quite a few controlled studies on the net where it has been proven over placebo,that Acetyl-L-Carnitine causes significant increases in cognition,energy,and mood.I saw one that states that it appears that it creates neurogenesis which is creation of new brain cells,so if true that is very intriguing also.
Quote from: B_Jim on 27/01/2012 13:01:33QuoteUsually, the skin is more sensitive after shaving it, so i don't know if it's a normal reaction or not.I wondered if we can simulate a prique-test by using a shaver and removing epidermis on a short area of the skin, and then put semen. I suppose we could do a homemade p-r-i-c-k test with a shaver, or the tip of a needle...But then, we should compare the reaction with Histamine i think, and also i think the semen concentration should be different. Anyway, we should contact an allergist...better one that specializes in autoimmune disorders or investigation of new disorders. I'm quite shy, so i won't go to my family allergist and ask for that...and then some different nurse...But yeah, i think it's an important step to know if we are positive or negative to the skin p-r-i-c-k test. I hope i'm positive.