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That CAN'T be true! / Re: God real or not
« on: 10/02/2012 20:31:29 »
I would like to start with sharing my favorite quote regarding the knowledge of the proof of God existence or lack thereof.
"So are we going to give you the answer? Of course we are! In fact, we'll give you more than one of them! Paul’s answer to the ultimate question of existence was: 'I don’t know, and that’s OK.' Sean’s answer was this: 'I know that I don’t know.' While Paul’s answer is a bit more comforting (at least to Paul), Sean’s is actually more useful. Being aware that you don’t know is an important thing. Sean’s thinking goes something like this: 'I know that I don’t know.' 'I am also quite sure that you don’t know either.' 'I am even fairly confident that no one knows, and that no one ever has known; but, I don’t know that for sure.' 'I am somewhat less convinced that no one will ever know, but that is something that I will probably never know.' 'The one thing I am really, really sure about is that I just don’t know.' 'And you can quote me on that!" (hastings, 181-82)
Hastings, Sean and Paul Rosenberg. God Wants You Dead. Vera Verba, inc. 2007.
Let me explain my stance before I give my personal reasons. First, anything I say must be taken as a theory with things that have yet to be understood. Second, I am not an atheist or an agnostic. I think there is a god. Third, I do not think God is an author. If we have rules for life, I think those rules are what we refer to as, well, common sense. It is very clear, even from a scientific standpoint, that the Qur' An and the bible have things in them that are clearly not a true god's word or are contradictory. That has been a non-issue for me for a very long time.
Now approaching the question from the raw stance of, "did something make this stuff happen or not?" This is what I have decided on.
It is, in my opinion, as foolish to vindicate that there is no god as it is to vindicate that there is a god. The best anyone can do is to find as much evidence as possible and make a decision.
My personal logic towards there probably being a god is "the hard problem." If you aren't familiar with it when do a little research on the hard problem of consciousness and see if it doesn't blow your mind and make you look at reality with a different perspective.
"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened." -Fit the Seventh
It would seem that the answer to this thread's question is one of two possibilities.
1. We find where the universe came from, where that came from, and so on until we find something that we can with absolute certainty say has always been and is just the way of nature. I doubt that because it in itself is basically a non-sequitur.
2. We find where the universe came from, where that came from, and so on until we find something that we can with absolute certainty say is a creator. I doubt that because it in itself is basically a non-sequitur.
Both of these are non-sequiturs because there can always be a question of where something came from. "Certainty" is the part that is a non-sequitur. So, I feel like I can safely say, "we will never know for certain." Whether something has always been and just is or if a god is discovered and just is. What could possibly be done to answer where either one came from?
It is an rolling extension of dead ends from a philosophical standpoint.
"So are we going to give you the answer? Of course we are! In fact, we'll give you more than one of them! Paul’s answer to the ultimate question of existence was: 'I don’t know, and that’s OK.' Sean’s answer was this: 'I know that I don’t know.' While Paul’s answer is a bit more comforting (at least to Paul), Sean’s is actually more useful. Being aware that you don’t know is an important thing. Sean’s thinking goes something like this: 'I know that I don’t know.' 'I am also quite sure that you don’t know either.' 'I am even fairly confident that no one knows, and that no one ever has known; but, I don’t know that for sure.' 'I am somewhat less convinced that no one will ever know, but that is something that I will probably never know.' 'The one thing I am really, really sure about is that I just don’t know.' 'And you can quote me on that!" (hastings, 181-82)
Hastings, Sean and Paul Rosenberg. God Wants You Dead. Vera Verba, inc. 2007.
Let me explain my stance before I give my personal reasons. First, anything I say must be taken as a theory with things that have yet to be understood. Second, I am not an atheist or an agnostic. I think there is a god. Third, I do not think God is an author. If we have rules for life, I think those rules are what we refer to as, well, common sense. It is very clear, even from a scientific standpoint, that the Qur' An and the bible have things in them that are clearly not a true god's word or are contradictory. That has been a non-issue for me for a very long time.
Now approaching the question from the raw stance of, "did something make this stuff happen or not?" This is what I have decided on.
It is, in my opinion, as foolish to vindicate that there is no god as it is to vindicate that there is a god. The best anyone can do is to find as much evidence as possible and make a decision.
My personal logic towards there probably being a god is "the hard problem." If you aren't familiar with it when do a little research on the hard problem of consciousness and see if it doesn't blow your mind and make you look at reality with a different perspective.
"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened." -Fit the Seventh
It would seem that the answer to this thread's question is one of two possibilities.
1. We find where the universe came from, where that came from, and so on until we find something that we can with absolute certainty say has always been and is just the way of nature. I doubt that because it in itself is basically a non-sequitur.
2. We find where the universe came from, where that came from, and so on until we find something that we can with absolute certainty say is a creator. I doubt that because it in itself is basically a non-sequitur.
Both of these are non-sequiturs because there can always be a question of where something came from. "Certainty" is the part that is a non-sequitur. So, I feel like I can safely say, "we will never know for certain." Whether something has always been and just is or if a god is discovered and just is. What could possibly be done to answer where either one came from?
It is an rolling extension of dead ends from a philosophical standpoint.