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Where did you think humans come from?
When does a human individual start to become conscious?
When did a human as a species start to become conscious?
Will it make a difference if the computer running AI is made of organic materials?
To whom?
If the above defines consciousness, then every species has always been conscious from the moment of differentiation.
I don't believe AI exists or will ever exist.
A computer is only as good as it's programming and it lacks what humans have, ie the motivation to learn, to advance one's self.
Yes, you can program a computer to learn new routines from it's interactions but does this constitute intelligence?, I don't think so.
Getting extremely powerful AI without strong fundamental terminal goal in mind which will be the basis of its decision making process would lead to unnecessary costs, which may include human lives and other precious resources
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/08/2023 15:12:21If the above defines consciousness, then every species has always been conscious from the moment of differentiation.Is that the definition of consciousness that you accept?
A difference to what?
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 15/08/2023 15:36:50Quote from: alancalverd on 15/08/2023 15:12:21If the above defines consciousness, then every species has always been conscious from the moment of differentiation.Is that the definition of consciousness that you accept? I never use a word that nobody understands.
The consciousness questions depend heavily on one's definition of consciousness. It seems to be a spectrum thing, not an on/off thing, but some define it as an on/off thing. Religious and other nonscientific philosophical views might have very different definitions and thus answers to these questions.
A useful definition of intelligence is the ability to surprise an observer. This distinguishes an intelligent response from a mechanical or algorithmic one.
Then what's your definition for consciousness?
Yann LeCun's thought experiment of removing one neuron at a time from a fullly functioning brain until nothing is left.
A random number generator would be intelligent then, at least for some observers.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 15/08/2023 23:40:26Yann LeCun's thought experiment of removing one neuron at a time from a fullly functioning brain until nothing is left. A biologist once taught a flea to jump on command. Then he cut off its back legs and said "jump". Nothing happened, so he wrote down "fleas' ears are located in their hind legs."
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/08/2023 17:14:09Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 15/08/2023 15:36:50Quote from: alancalverd on 15/08/2023 15:12:21If the above defines consciousness, then every species has always been conscious from the moment of differentiation.Is that the definition of consciousness that you accept? I never use a word that nobody understands.Then what's your definition for consciousness? If you don't really like that word, you can invent a new one to refer to a concept that is fundamental to define morality. In my threads, I use the word consciousness for that concept, and I define it as capacity to achieve goals. The longer term for goals that an entity can achieve effectively, the higher the level of consciousness that it has. If you think there's a word more appropriate to refer to that concept, please let me know. It doesn't even have to be in English.
What makes you think that nobody understand consciousness? People haven't reached a consensus on its meaning doesn't necessarily eliminate the possibility that some of them have already defined it correctly.