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Quote from: duffyd on 28/04/2020 14:29:26He was called the author of that body of work, not the original documents. So you agree with me. Thank you.
He was called the author of that body of work, not the original documents.
Quote from: alancalverd on 29/04/2020 14:55:45Quote from: duffyd on 28/04/2020 14:29:26He was called the author of that body of work, not the original documents. So you agree with me. Thank you."Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven residing in Jerusalem..." Time out. What was that? Which kind of Jew?
Quote from: duffyd on 02/04/2020 21:02:35BTW, does entanglement disprove C is the fastest anything can go?It's more correct to say that c is as fast as information can go. Quantum entanglement doesn't transfer information.
BTW, does entanglement disprove C is the fastest anything can go?
C is as fast as anything can travel through spacetimes fabric at varying gravity densities etc, without being energy+1.
The more thoroughly they are defeated in a debate, the more bitterness one observes erupting out of folks who often say they have no ill will for HIM.
Quote from: Kryptid on 02/04/2020 21:15:29Quote from: duffyd on 02/04/2020 21:02:35BTW, does entanglement disprove C is the fastest anything can go?It's more correct to say that c is as fast as information can go. Quantum entanglement doesn't transfer information.C is as fast as anything can travel through spacetimes fabric at varying gravity densities etc, without being energy+1. Edit:Dear god this thread still going.
Quote from: duffyd on 29/04/2020 17:19:01Quote from: alancalverd on 29/04/2020 14:55:45Quote from: duffyd on 28/04/2020 14:29:26He was called the author of that body of work, not the original documents. So you agree with me. Thank you."Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven residing in Jerusalem..." Time out. What was that? Which kind of Jew?You got it Al. They were devout. They were the real deal and they were overwhelmed by the evidence that they witnessed first hand. Unlearned people were speaking in the very languages they used in the various nations where they lived. It is interesting to read how Paul ran into Hebrew Christians during his missionary journeys where he had not previously visited and the N.T. hadn't been completed.It spread like a recipe for my mother's Yorkshire Pudding. HE preached to multiple thousands and healed folks of every disease and malady, raising the dead, returning healthy limbs and eyesight. Who wouldn't want to know the guy and tell everyone about HIM? He was a phenome extraordinaire. Talk about rock stars ( I forgot--Jesus Christ Superstar) Devout, responsible, intelligent Jewish people left everything, immediately, to travel by His side. Even King Herod knew of HIM and wanted the opportunity to meet HIM. Not too many kings hear about, let alone want to meet, and have some silly little nutcase, perform for them. A subtle assumption (until you think about it) is made that nothing happened throughout that ancient region of the world until we find it written about in the N.T. People were starving for the streams of living water just as much then, maybe more, than we do today. Life was tough back in the day. As I said, GOD still pours out HIS gifts upon HIS children including the ability to speak in an unknown language. Want proof? The more thoroughly they are defeated in a debate, the more bitterness one observes erupting out of folks who often say they have no ill will for HIM.
The deal is HE was GOD ALMIGHTY.
Why would a scientist accept the bible? Why not?
The gift of languages which confounded the people in ACTS 2 is given today. Testing GOD is forbidden? “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."If HE wasn't challenging people to test HIM, what was HE doing? HE makes a guarantee to everyone, to you, too. In the Greek, the words ask, seek and knock are in the continuous present tense. Keep asking, keep seeking...
Interesting. QuoteThere is nothing recorded in the four Gospels where Jesus specifically mentions homosexuality the way Paul did in 1 Cor. 6:9. Likewise classical Hebrew "eved" (and presumably Aramaic) doesn't distinguish between slave, servant and indentured worker, but the OT sets down rules for the proper treatment of all employees according to time-limited contract.Which supports my point that the real problem isn't Christ, but Christians.
There is nothing recorded in the four Gospels where Jesus specifically mentions homosexuality the way Paul did in 1 Cor. 6:9.
It is most sad to engage scientists in debate only to find they too refuse the scientific method which is widely available,
HE's my DAD, the ONE I longed for all my life and gave up hope I'd fine.
Quote from: duffyd on 30/04/2020 01:31:20HE's my DAD, the ONE I longed for all my life and gave up hope I'd fine.This really belongs in the "God" thread, but it's the key to monotheistic faith.Most people spend their childhood in an environment where, whatever happens during the day, a big man with a beard (or at least a 5 o'clock shadow) arrives in the evening and dishes out justice, forgiveness, pizza, etc. Some of us grow up and assume all the responsibilities of a dad (or mum), including the liability for failure. Others, who lack the guts to be a proper adult, get on their knees and hope that there's another big man with a beard who will put things right in this life or the next, if you ask nicely. And some make a living by embellishing and selling that ridiculous idea, for which there is no actual evidence.
Quote from: duffyd on 30/04/2020 10:58:44It is most sad to engage scientists in debate only to find they too refuse the scientific method which is widely available, It would help if you would explain exactly which scientific method you think would apply, what experiment, what quantitive predictions. Remember, personal testimonials after the fact are not scientific method.
If HE isn't challenging people to test HIM, what was HE doing?
It is most sad to engage scientists in debate only to find they too refuse the scientific method which is widely available, to see if HE exists .
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/04/2020 11:39:06Quote from: duffyd on 30/04/2020 01:31:20HE's my DAD, the ONE I longed for all my life and gave up hope I'd fine.This really belongs in the "God" thread, but it's the key to monotheistic faith.Most people spend their childhood in an environment where, whatever happens during the day, a big man with a beard (or at least a 5 o'clock shadow) arrives in the evening and dishes out justice, forgiveness, pizza, etc. Some of us grow up and assume all the responsibilities of a dad (or mum), including the liability for failure. Others, who lack the guts to be a proper adult, get on their knees and hope that there's another big man with a beard who will put things right in this life or the next, if you ask nicely. And some make a living by embellishing and selling that ridiculous idea, for which there is no actual evidence. Atheism Is Inconsistent with the Scientific Method, Prizewinning Physicist SaysIn conversation, the 2019 Templeton Prize winner does not pull punches on the limits of science, the value of humility and the irrationality of nonbelief.Marcelo Gleiser, a 60-year-old Brazil-born theoretical physicist at Dartmouth College and prolific science popularizer, has won this year’s Templeton Prize. Valued at just under $1.5 million, the award from the John Templeton Foundation annually recognizes an individual “who has made an exceptional contribution to affirming life’s spiritual dimension.” .
I can't speak for all scientists, but I think I've answered the question from my point of view.I accept the bible for what it is - a collection of ancient texts that has been selected, edited and translated over thousands of years and mostly deals with the history, laws and poetry of my tribe.Other people have all sorts of bizarre beliefs related to its content, some of which have led to the inexcusable maltreatment of others.