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In fairness to Jolly, he has a point.It doesn't matter if you think Assange is a hero or a villain.The Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill is a bad thing.The bill seeks to "Make provision for, and in connection with, the authorisation of criminal conduct in the course of, or otherwise in connection with, the conduct of covert human intelligence sources" Yes, it really does authorise criminal conduct.No need to repeal the human rights act if you can simply authorise your state machinery to break it at whim.This bill is what we should expect from a tinpot dictatorship, but not from a mature Western Democracy.It's particularly worrying that Labour are not firmly opposing it.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 25/11/2020 18:58:19In fairness to Jolly, he has a point.It doesn't matter if you think Assange is a hero or a villain.The Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill is a bad thing.The bill seeks to "Make provision for, and in connection with, the authorisation of criminal conduct in the course of, or otherwise in connection with, the conduct of covert human intelligence sources" Yes, it really does authorise criminal conduct.No need to repeal the human rights act if you can simply authorise your state machinery to break it at whim.This bill is what we should expect from a tinpot dictatorship, but not from a mature Western Democracy.It's particularly worrying that Labour are not firmly opposing it.Thank you mr chemist, you are correct this is the kind of laws you would expect to see in Stalin's Russia. "No person no problem" literally they want a license to kill for food safety personal or customs officers, what could go wrong?I wouldn't expect much from Keir Starmer he is a shoe in for the establishment, there to undo everything Jeremy Corbyn achieved, personally I think all Actual Labour members should join the Workers party and just leave new Labour to the blairites.Still if it isnt shocking enough that some lunatic has actully written this law, jaws can drop in horror that the house passed it. There appears to be hardly any servants of the people currently present in the house of commons. There are not words for this, it beggars belief.
I'm sure this must be against the mMagna cCarta
Quote from: Jolly2 on 25/11/2020 21:34:28Quote from: Bored chemist on 25/11/2020 18:58:19In fairness to Jolly, he has a point.It doesn't matter if you think Assange is a hero or a villain.The Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill is a bad thing.The bill seeks to "Make provision for, and in connection with, the authorisation of criminal conduct in the course of, or otherwise in connection with, the conduct of covert human intelligence sources" Yes, it really does authorise criminal conduct.No need to repeal the human rights act if you can simply authorise your state machinery to break it at whim.This bill is what we should expect from a tinpot dictatorship, but not from a mature Western Democracy.It's particularly worrying that Labour are not firmly opposing it.Thank you mr chemist, you are correct this is the kind of laws you would expect to see in Stalin's Russia. "No person no problem" literally they want a license to kill for food safety personal or customs officers, what could go wrong?I wouldn't expect much from Keir Starmer he is a shoe in for the establishment, there to undo everything Jeremy Corbyn achieved, personally I think all Actual Labour members should join the Workers party and just leave new Labour to the blairites.Still if it isnt shocking enough that some lunatic has actully written this law, jaws can drop in horror that the house passed it. There appears to be hardly any servants of the people currently present in the house of commons. There are not words for this, it beggars belief. I'm sure this must be against the magna carta (Which was largely about barons and Kings) and the following human rights acts, you can't have a law and then refuse to prosecute, but then maybe logic is now illegal and therefore this makes sense
"The dumbest aspect of the British political system"Have we ruled out "working class Tories"?
Actually it's the charter of libertines that is the foundational document. The Magna Carter came later, was I believe intially signed into law under duress and would not have stood legally but for the charter of libertines which had already given many of the rights the magna Carter did sinply because they already were in existenced in that charter, essentially anyway.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/11/2020 09:00:27"The dumbest aspect of the British political system"Have we ruled out "working class Tories"?They didnt vote for the Tories they voted for Brexit and against Jeremy Corbyn who had turned against Brexit, and who had been labelled by the Press a terrorist and a communist who would destroy the country.
Yep, Corbyn was hung by his party,
I'm sure this must be against the magna carta (Which was largely about barons and Kings)...
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 01/12/2020 06:30:09Yep, Corbyn was hung by his party,Mainly, he was hanged by the media.Labour party voters were anti brexit by a solid margin. For the party to have had a pro brexit stance would have been absurd.JC recognised that.
Because he was prepared to talk about a 2nd referendum
(which would probably have overturned the first one)
the billionaire's couldn't allow him to win (and it's not as if they were pro Labour anyway) so they lied, lied and lied again to stop him.
The idea that a life-long pacifist was a terrorist supporter either in Northern ireland or in Palestine is absurd; but that's the lie that was told.Enough people believed it, and here we are with a clown as PM and a brexit crash due at the end of the month.
I seriously doubt it as the Election results showed.
Don't confuse a general election, where you vote for a constituency representative, with a single issue referendum where you vote for or against a stated action.
Repeated voting until you produce the right answer (Ireland), or denying a referendum in case it comes up with the wrong answer (Holland), was one of the many objections to continued membership of the EU.
he refused to say whether he would press it or scrap it.
A referendum is obviously nearer to being democratic (and relatively cheap). I see that you object to them...
He had the sense not to answer with anything but "it depends"
For example we had a referendum in the 70s and we repeated it in 2016.
lies about " Getting brexit done"
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2020 08:54:04A referendum is obviously nearer to being democratic (and relatively cheap). I see that you object to them...No, I object to the losers whingeing about it.
It is lucky we were not in the EU as UK can approve without waiting for EU approval.
Nobody banged on about the 1970s referendum result. We just said "I told you so" as fishing stocks and manufacturing industry collapsed and the UK trade deficit increased year on year, until HM Govt tried and failed to renegotiate the terms for the umpteenth time.