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The questions become what is so special about water?
Quote from: puppypower on 14/11/2019 20:11:15The questions become what is so special about water? Two things, one is that it's an uncommonly good hydrogen bond former.The other is that it's the solvent that life evolved to work with.
organics of life
We don't know that alien life doesn't exist out there somewhere that utilizes something other than water.
What you are saying has never been proven
Water also brings to the table, a fifth force of nature, that is common to life. This force has been referred to as the life force. The fifth force, in physics terms, is the entropic force or a force that is generated by entropy. This fifth force can be demonstrated in the lab and can be explained with osmosis.Osmosis is a colligative property. What that means is osmosis and osmotic pressure is not dependent on the character of the solute that is dissolved in water. It is only dependent on the concentration. This means if we used positive or negative ions or neutral molecules, as the solute, as long as the concentration is the same, the same osmotic pressure will be generated. What a colligative property means is the force, that creates the osmotic pressure =entropic force/area, is not dependent on the EM force, or else charge and magnetic affects would make a difference. It is independent of the EM force. It is a separate force created by entropy. Osmosis requires a semi-permeable membrane, separating water with different concentrations of solute on either side of the membrane. The water can move freely through the membrane, but the solutes cannot. The movement of the water will be in response to the concentration gradient, with the goal of balancing the concentration of solute on both sides of the membrane. This diffusion of the water reflects the second law in action. During the nanoscale selection process, water picked membrane molecules that were tailored to its own needs; it is the mobile phase. Reverse osmosis allows us to use mechanical pressure, to reverse this situation. We can add pressure to push water back in reverse and selectively decrease the water entropy, by a very exact amount based on the pressure we apply. This induced entropic potential, can use for various things. Entropy is often associated with randomness and complexity, but water, via osmosis, has a way to stockpile entropy and reverse complexity, which is a good tool for selection processes. This entropic potential can be exploited as entropic force; mechanical muscle. Or it can be expressed as entropy, not connected to entropic force. Water for example, demonstrates quantum tunneling affects with the hydrogen proton. This often occurs with proton pairs, which is somewhat unique. Theoretically, free energy within the entropic potential could be used for quantum affects, rapid bleed off. The entropic force is not your average force since it is not based on attraction, per se. It has more in common with repulsion. Mutations would be a possible application.
Quote from: puppypower on 24/11/2019 14:30:12Water also brings to the table, a fifth force of nature, that is common to life. This force has been referred to as the life force. The fifth force, in physics terms, is the entropic force or a force that is generated by entropy. This fifth force can be demonstrated in the lab and can be explained with osmosis.Osmosis is a colligative property. What that means is osmosis and osmotic pressure is not dependent on the character of the solute that is dissolved in water. It is only dependent on the concentration. This means if we used positive or negative ions or neutral molecules, as the solute, as long as the concentration is the same, the same osmotic pressure will be generated. What a colligative property means is the force, that creates the osmotic pressure =entropic force/area, is not dependent on the EM force, or else charge and magnetic affects would make a difference. It is independent of the EM force. It is a separate force created by entropy. Osmosis requires a semi-permeable membrane, separating water with different concentrations of solute on either side of the membrane. The water can move freely through the membrane, but the solutes cannot. The movement of the water will be in response to the concentration gradient, with the goal of balancing the concentration of solute on both sides of the membrane. This diffusion of the water reflects the second law in action. During the nanoscale selection process, water picked membrane molecules that were tailored to its own needs; it is the mobile phase. Reverse osmosis allows us to use mechanical pressure, to reverse this situation. We can add pressure to push water back in reverse and selectively decrease the water entropy, by a very exact amount based on the pressure we apply. This induced entropic potential, can use for various things. Entropy is often associated with randomness and complexity, but water, via osmosis, has a way to stockpile entropy and reverse complexity, which is a good tool for selection processes. This entropic potential can be exploited as entropic force; mechanical muscle. Or it can be expressed as entropy, not connected to entropic force. Water for example, demonstrates quantum tunneling affects with the hydrogen proton. This often occurs with proton pairs, which is somewhat unique. Theoretically, free energy within the entropic potential could be used for quantum affects, rapid bleed off. The entropic force is not your average force since it is not based on attraction, per se. It has more in common with repulsion. Mutations would be a possible application.Reverse osmosis can be made to work with essentially any solvent.There's nothing special about water and RO.
However, life as we know it evolved in water
Quote from: puppypower on 25/11/2019 12:41:14However, life as we know it evolved in water What about life as we don't know it?It's entirely possible (though unlikely) that tomorrow, someone will make the discovery of a life form that doesn't depend on water .At that point it will become as clear to you that you are posting nonsense as it is already clear to the rest of us.
Science is supposed to be grounded on fact and evidence,
Oxygen cant go much further.
Quote from: puppypower on 28/11/2019 00:28:19Science is supposed to be grounded on fact and evidence, That's right.Now, please show me the evidence that life without water is impossible.
DNA is the most hydrated molecule in the cell.