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Quote from: Thebox on 01/08/2017 23:45:47total force of chargeWhat does that mean?
total force of charge
Quote from: Kryptid on 01/08/2017 23:48:51Quote from: Thebox on 01/08/2017 23:45:47total force of chargeWhat does that mean?Charge applies force on opposite charges and likewise charges, it means the total force of the total charge in a body. Even though two bricks will say no net charge , the atomic charge still exists and still has affect on other rocks. Only the inertia of the rock stops it moving. If two rocks were in a non inertia reference frame, the rocks would attract each other by opposite charges until a point of equilibrium between charges was reached i.e r²
Quote from: Thebox on 01/08/2017 23:56:41Quote from: Kryptid on 01/08/2017 23:48:51Quote from: Thebox on 01/08/2017 23:45:47total force of chargeWhat does that mean?Charge applies force on opposite charges and likewise charges, it means the total force of the total charge in a body. Even though two bricks will say no net charge , the atomic charge still exists and still has affect on other rocks. Only the inertia of the rock stops it moving. If two rocks were in a non inertia reference frame, the rocks would attract each other by opposite charges until a point of equilibrium between charges was reached i.e r²How is that any different from saying that mass is directly proportional to charge?
What do you call the charge of an atom? i.e (+1e)+(-e)=N I call it atomic charge which is saying the charge of an atom?
Because in example, I will make up Imagine 1 electron and 1 proton in one nucleus 1+1=N
Quote from: Thebox on 31/07/2017 22:29:59What do you call the charge of an atom? i.e (+1e)+(-e)=N I call it atomic charge which is saying the charge of an atom? I call the charge of an atom zero. So does everyone else.(It's a bit like a rock)."Charged atoms" are called ions.So, more or less, by definition, an atom has no charge.If you wanted you could learn what the accepted terminology is and what the facts are.Then you would understand that- no matter how loudly you protest, a rock has no charge.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/08/2017 20:38:54Quote from: Thebox on 31/07/2017 22:29:59What do you call the charge of an atom? i.e (+1e)+(-e)=N I call it atomic charge which is saying the charge of an atom? I call the charge of an atom zero. So does everyone else.(It's a bit like a rock)."Charged atoms" are called ions.So, more or less, by definition, an atom has no charge.If you wanted you could learn what the accepted terminology is and what the facts are.Then you would understand that- no matter how loudly you protest, a rock has no charge.An atom still has a charge of +1e in a rock, you will measure it at 0e because -e gives it the equilibrium. You are saying the equivalent to that if i had two equal mass apples on a set of pan scales perfectly balanced at 0, that one side of the scales becomes empty.
Quote from: Thebox on 03/08/2017 01:28:28Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/08/2017 20:38:54Quote from: Thebox on 31/07/2017 22:29:59What do you call the charge of an atom? i.e (+1e)+(-e)=N I call it atomic charge which is saying the charge of an atom? I call the charge of an atom zero. So does everyone else.(It's a bit like a rock)."Charged atoms" are called ions.So, more or less, by definition, an atom has no charge.If you wanted you could learn what the accepted terminology is and what the facts are.Then you would understand that- no matter how loudly you protest, a rock has no charge.An atom still has a charge of +1e in a rock, you will measure it at 0e because -e gives it the equilibrium. You are saying the equivalent to that if i had two equal mass apples on a set of pan scales perfectly balanced at 0, that one side of the scales becomes empty. "An atom still has a charge of +1e in a rock" No.The atom is neutral.An ion might have a +1 charge but if it has there's something else there with a -1 charge to make up for it.Overall the rock has no charge."You are saying the equivalent to that if i had two equal mass apples on a set of pan scales perfectly balanced at 0, that one side of the scales becomes empty. "No. Stop lying about what I'm saying- it just makes you look foolish.I'm saying that the torque produced by the two pans is zero.Please try to learn some physics, rather than making up sh1t.
An electron is attracted to the proton, so therefore the electrons in my body are attracted to the protons of the earth, valued logic that is pretty undeniable.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/08/2017 19:34:46Quote from: Thebox on 03/08/2017 01:28:28Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/08/2017 20:38:54Quote from: Thebox on 31/07/2017 22:29:59What do you call the charge of an atom? i.e (+1e)+(-e)=N I call it atomic charge which is saying the charge of an atom? I call the charge of an atom zero. So does everyone else.(It's a bit like a rock)."Charged atoms" are called ions.So, more or less, by definition, an atom has no charge.If you wanted you could learn what the accepted terminology is and what the facts are.Then you would understand that- no matter how loudly you protest, a rock has no charge.An atom still has a charge of +1e in a rock, you will measure it at 0e because -e gives it the equilibrium. You are saying the equivalent to that if i had two equal mass apples on a set of pan scales perfectly balanced at 0, that one side of the scales becomes empty. "An atom still has a charge of +1e in a rock" No.The atom is neutral.An ion might have a +1 charge but if it has there's something else there with a -1 charge to make up for it.Overall the rock has no charge."You are saying the equivalent to that if i had two equal mass apples on a set of pan scales perfectly balanced at 0, that one side of the scales becomes empty. "No. Stop lying about what I'm saying- it just makes you look foolish.I'm saying that the torque produced by the two pans is zero.Please try to learn some physics, rather than making up sh1t.Try thinking in general it would help.
Quote from: Thebox on 03/08/2017 21:09:03Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/08/2017 19:34:46Quote from: Thebox on 03/08/2017 01:28:28Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/08/2017 20:38:54Quote from: Thebox on 31/07/2017 22:29:59What do you call the charge of an atom? i.e (+1e)+(-e)=N I call it atomic charge which is saying the charge of an atom? I call the charge of an atom zero. So does everyone else.(It's a bit like a rock)."Charged atoms" are called ions.So, more or less, by definition, an atom has no charge.If you wanted you could learn what the accepted terminology is and what the facts are.Then you would understand that- no matter how loudly you protest, a rock has no charge.An atom still has a charge of +1e in a rock, you will measure it at 0e because -e gives it the equilibrium. You are saying the equivalent to that if i had two equal mass apples on a set of pan scales perfectly balanced at 0, that one side of the scales becomes empty. "An atom still has a charge of +1e in a rock" No.The atom is neutral.An ion might have a +1 charge but if it has there's something else there with a -1 charge to make up for it.Overall the rock has no charge."You are saying the equivalent to that if i had two equal mass apples on a set of pan scales perfectly balanced at 0, that one side of the scales becomes empty. "No. Stop lying about what I'm saying- it just makes you look foolish.I'm saying that the torque produced by the two pans is zero.Please try to learn some physics, rather than making up sh1t.Try thinking in general it would help. I did.If charge was mass why would anyone have invented different words for them?Why would everyone else in this thread be pointing out that you are wrong?
Quote from: TheBoxAn electron is attracted to the proton, so therefore the electrons in my body are attracted to the protons of the earth, valued logic that is pretty undeniable. Another way of looking at this is:- An electron is attracted to the proton in the same atom. Agree. Without this electron, the atom in which this electron resides would have a net positive charge.- An electron is attracted to the proton in a chemically bonded molecule. Agree. Without this electron, the molecule in which this electron resides would have a net positive charge.- the electrons in my body are attracted to the protons of the earth. Disagree. This is saying that your body is a separate object from the Earth. If you took one electron from your body, the Earth would still be electrically neutral, and your body would not be attracted to the Earth. The electron you removed from your body would not be attracted to the Earth either (although the electron would be attracted to your body).When you have a certain number of protons in the nucleus, and an equal number of electrons surrounding it, the electrons effectively shield the positive charge, once you move 2 or 3 atom-widths away from the atom (the London forces mentioned by Kryptid will operate closer than this to an atom).So the electrons in your body are not attracted to the protons of the Earth - they are just too far away. At best you could say that some surface atoms on the soles of your shoes are attracted to a few surface atoms of the grains of dust with which they are in direct contact. Electric fields attract & repel - and these cancel out to nothing, if the charges are balanced (as they are in your average rock).As far as we know, Gravity fields only attract - and these don't cancel out at long distances. That is why gravity is the predominant force we observe in the universe at large, even though it is much weaker than electric forces.
Ok, I understand this , but does your summation account for emitted fields and objects being within a field?
Charge travels up a wire for example, the wire being a ''conduit'' for the current.
How do we know that charge does not extend its ''grasp'' by using a field for an ''ether''?
Surely the field and ''conduit'' would only ever show 0 net charge?
added- so if the earths electro-magnetic field was positive and negative charge it would read 0?
Added- I have just had this notion pop into my head, E=mq²
Another science forum is saying that 1 is not equal to 1 huh........1 Proton mass = 1 proton charge They said it isn't . huh.......
Then what is mass if not charge? Charge is seemingly the only thing it can be.
Another science forum is saying that 1 is not equal to 1
That doesn't make any sense. Charge and mass are not measured in the same way. You might as well be saying that one kilometer equals one kilogram.