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It is interesting that most of the computer programs I have worked on, work without any reference to time.
Quote from: mxplxxx It is interesting that most of the computer programs I have worked on, work without any reference to time. I know nothing about computer programming, and it’s too late to start on that now. However, I’m intrigued by this statement. What does “without any reference to time” mean?I suspect it cannot mean that you and/or the computer, and/or the relevant program complete any “work” in zero time.Could it mean that the program completes its task without making any reference to time?
It is interesting that most of the computer programs I have worked on, work without any reference to time.[There are programs that do require 'time'. GPS, traffic control, security, utilities, astronomy, etc., depending on the purpose.]
I know nothing about computer programming, and it’s too late to start on that now
I suspect it cannot mean that you and/or the computer, and/or the relevant program complete any “work” in zero time.
You are in that group that interprets 'time' as a causal entity.
Many statements in programming are conditional like 'if', 'if-then'.Eg. sorting a list for all people named "Smith". Manipulation of data, operations that are independent of time. The operating system requires a clock but primarily for internal sequencing of operations. If you need time measurements for your purpose, it's available. If your work is air traffic control, then you need 'time' in your computer system. /quote]I’m OK with that. I was just trying to be sure that mxplxxx was not identifying a situation in which a computer could perform a function in zero time.
The time a computer takes to complete a task is very dependent on the speed of the computer's processor(s). This closely parallels an EM wave in Reality.
Quote from: Bill I suspect it cannot mean that you and/or the computer, and/or the relevant program complete any “work” in zero time.Quote from: mxplxxx The time a computer takes to complete a task is very dependent on the speed of the computer's processor(s). This closely parallels an EM wave in Reality. Does this mean that my suspicion is correct?
A computer program will always take time to complete.
Quote from: Bill S on 12/03/2019 17:11:42I suspect it cannot mean that you and/or the computer, and/or the relevant program complete any “work” in zero time.The time a computer takes to complete a task is very dependent on the speed of the computer's processor(s). This closely parallels an EM wave in Reality.
Quote from: mxplxxx on 12/03/2019 22:58:20Quote from: Bill S on 12/03/2019 17:11:42I suspect it cannot mean that you and/or the computer, and/or the relevant program complete any “work” in zero time.The time a computer takes to complete a task is very dependent on the speed of the computer's processor(s). This closely parallels an EM wave in Reality. How? Please elaborate on the parallels between an electromagnetic wave and the operation of a processor.
No. An EM wave is information
the connection between the increase in entropy and indeterminacy
You appear to be attributing a personality to an atom.
[You are referring to the '4D block universe', where all events exist simultaneously, and each observer experiences their own 'now' as they journey through space. Paul Davies is one advocate for this theory. One critical fact when considering this idea. There is one occurrence for each event, but many perceptions of that event.]
"The backdrop for the steady growth of entanglement throughout the universe is, of course, time itself. The physicists stress that despite great advances in understanding how changes in time occur, they have made no progress in uncovering the nature of time itself or why it seems different (both perceptually and in the equations of quantum mechanics) than the three dimensions of space. Popescu calls this “one of the greatest unknowns in physics.”
Quote from: mxplxxx "The backdrop for the steady growth of entanglement throughout the universe is, of course, time itself. The physicists stress that despite great advances in understanding how changes in time occur, they have made no progress in uncovering the nature of time itself or why it seems different (both perceptually and in the equations of quantum mechanics) than the three dimensions of space. Popescu calls this “one of the greatest unknowns in physics.” Could they be looking for something that isn’t there?A metre measures the distance between two objects. Without objects; what is a metre?Time measures the interval between two events. Without events; what is time?In a non-technical way, this brings us back towards the OP. Was time created with the Universe, or was it necessary to permit the “creation” to take place? Logically, I would say that neither of these possibilities could provide the complete answer, but that’s not for this thread.