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Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 03/01/2022 03:53:07The existence of acceptable exceptions show that your morality is not universal.Which is why I said "pretty well", not "every". But I think you will find polyandrous societies still have rules, which is what defines a society.
The existence of acceptable exceptions show that your morality is not universal.
Consequentialism is a class of normative, teleological ethical theories that holds that the consequences of one's conduct are the ultimate basis for judgment about the rightness or wrongness of that conduct. Thus, from a consequentialist standpoint, a morally right act (or omission from acting) is one that will produce a good outcome. Consequentialism, along with eudaimonism, falls under the broader category of teleological ethics, a group of views which claim that the moral value of any act consists in its tendency to produce things of intrinsic value.[1] Consequentialists hold in general that an act is right if and only if the act (or in some views, the rule under which it falls) will produce, will probably produce, or is intended to produce, a greater balance of good over evil than any available alternative. Different consequentialist theories differ in how they define moral goods, with chief candidates including pleasure, the absence of pain, the satisfaction of one's preferences, and broader notions of the "general good".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialism
In moral philosophy, deontological ethics or deontology (from Greek: δέον, 'obligation, duty' + λόγος, 'study') is the normative ethical theory that the morality of an action should be based on whether that action itself is right or wrong under a series of rules, rather than based on the consequences of the action.[1] It is sometimes described as duty-, obligation-, or rule-based ethics.[2][3] Deontological ethics is commonly contrasted to consequentialism,[4] virtue ethics, and pragmatic ethics. In this terminology, action is more important than the consequences.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deontology
Is pain intrinsically bad?
We can't say if an action, like pushing a red button, is morally good or bad without knowing its probable consequences.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/01/2022 10:00:18We can't say if an action, like pushing a red button, is morally good or bad without knowing its most likely consequences.
We can't say if an action, like pushing a red button, is morally good or bad without knowing its most likely consequences.
But beware of using "thing" to signify both a noun (pain) and a verb (avoid) - they are not inherently comparable!
A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.Antoine de Saint-Exupery
What if morality is just a fiction used by the herd of inferior human beings to hold back the few superior men? In this Sprouts special with Stephen Hicks, we examine Nietzsche’s explanation for how ethics develop and the consequences for master types living in a world that’s dominated by the morality of slaves.Chapters:0:00 Introduction0:30 Master-slaves morality3:19 The origin of the bad conscience6:02 Ending
The idea that morality just exists to enforce social norms is rooted in moral antirealism, the idea that there simply are no moral facts. But why believe this is true?
We must also acknowledge that intentions play some role in moral judgment. They determine the reliability of the actions, and whether or not the actions will be repeated in the future.
This is a lecture explaining a brief section called "Interlude: Relativism" in his book "Morality: An Introduction to Ethics." The basic idea that Williams has is that there is a tension between moral relativism and some kind of universal toleration principle. These two view, which Williams believes contradict one another, however, are often held together, by the same people, as part of a view that he calls "Vulgar Relativism." The problem with Vulgar Relativism, Williams claims, is that it is self-defeating or self-contradictory. This video lecture is part of an introductory level philosophy course, Introduction to Ethics.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/01/2022 10:00:18We must also acknowledge that intentions play some role in moral judgment. They determine the reliability of the actions, and whether or not the actions will be repeated in the future.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 06/01/2022 21:27:33Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/01/2022 10:00:18We must also acknowledge that intentions play some role in moral judgment. They determine the reliability of the actions, and whether or not the actions will be repeated in the future.Beg to differ.Your frying pan catches fire. Full of good intention, you pour water on it. The water boils instantly when it hits the hot metal, dispersing oil mist which then explodes. It's a classic demonstration by local fire brigades at country fairs, and sadly in kitchens everywhere. But rarely repeated (except by the fire brigade).
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/01/2022 10:00:18We must also acknowledge that intentions play some role in moral judgment. They determine the reliability of the actions, and whether or not the actions will be repeated in the future.An agent's consciousness level determines how close will the consequences be to its intentions. More conscious agents make less false assumptions and more true knowledge. That's where critical thinking and scientific literacy enters moral discussion. If someone believes that drinking bleach can cure Covid19, then their good intentions can lead to bad consequences, and vice versa. That's why lying and spreading misinformation in every society are considered immoral in almost all situations, with only few exceptions.
This is a lecture video about a short selection from book 3 of David Hume's famous work of philosophy, A Treatise of Human Nature (1739–40). Hume was an empiricist. The lecture of basically a presentation of his argument from empiricism to the conclusion that there are no genuine, objective moral facts residing in actions themselves (rather, there are only sentiments of moral disapprobation or disapproval in us). This lecture of part of Introduction to Ethics.
I think you are confusing consciousness (whatever that may mean) with experience and intention.
And it is by no means obvious that everyone with "bad intent" (which presumably means an intention to do something that profits him at the expense of others) will necessarily persist if he fails at his first attempt. Far more likely to repeat and develop an antisocial action if it succeeds.