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The 200 or so, who have posted, can be separated into about three distinct groups. The first group containsvery approximately 120 of the posters. These people share about 10 notable mental symptoms (word finding difficulty, brain fog, ...), but have no severe physical symptoms. The next group contains about 60 posters -- these people have the same mental symptoms as those in the first group, with additional physical symptoms.
That's remarkable profiling information. Can you tell me what the 10 mental symptoms from the (60%) first group are?Is there a grouping, pattern or cluster to the physical symptoms experienced by the (30%) of the second group?
Steve,My post on symptom groupings can be found here: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg200606#msg200606Best regards.Group 1 (Most Common Symptoms)1. brain fog2. intense withdrawal3. intense cravings4. difficulty communicating5. difficulty comprehending6. difficulty focusing7. thick-headed8. slow to respond9. absent mindedness10. short attention span (cannot concentrate for more than 2-3 minutes)11. anxiety12. poor short term memory13. lexical recall affected14. restless/agitated15. lack of creativity16. social phobia17. lack of confidence18. embarrassment19. mental exhaustionImportant notes: * Symptoms generally last 6 to 70 hours. Some do not recover as quickly during sleep as when they are awake. After 1-3 days of no orgasm, intense cravings for orgasm can re-appear, but the other symptoms do not re-surface unless stimulated by orgasm. In a given month, people in this group are afflicted by symptoms between 10% and 90% of the time -- depending on the person, and frequency of orgasm. Group 2 (Less common)1. derealisation2. lethargy (physical fatigue)3. cold (day 1), sweats/heat (day 2)4. dizziness5. paleness6. shame7. skin conditions following orgasm. (e.g. dry skin).8. visual disturbances9. lack of spontaneity10. diarrhea (helped by low IG diet)11. hypoglycemia (helpd by low IG diet)12. muscle tremors and spasms.13. depression14. headache15. skin conditions16. insomnia17. hunger and thirst affected
...when I don't have to submit to routine and I don't have to work within a timed schedule with godforsaken deadlines, its much easier to bear POIS, obviously because there's alot less stress. Of course the lack of cognition and the brain fog is still there, which is the most horrible part of this illness, at least for me.
Counterpoints,I wrote a couple more posts to you the other day about POIS primary symptoms of physical/mental/emotional exhaustion/fatigue, as well as survey sample size concerns..
Hi again, Martin. As I mentioned earlier, I think abstinence is eventually unhealthy for everyone. We are sexual beings. The length of time abstinent is the only variable.
Sample size: In this context, I think the importance of sample size is limited...
exhaustion: The distinction between mental and physical exhaustion, amongst posters, would be worth further exploring...
When you listed exhaustion/fatigue as a symptom, is it the type of exhaustion you might get after not sleeping? Can you tell the difference? Is it like you might feel after a hard day of exercise? Or of mental exertion?
Demo, QuoteHi again, Martin. As I mentioned earlier, I think abstinence is eventually unhealthy for everyone. We are sexual beings. The length of time abstinent is the only variable. Just curious, why do you think that abstinence is unhealthy? You say "eventually" so I presume you think that refraining from sex will over time do damage somehow. We are indeed sexual beings but I don't know of any way in which not "using it" could harm a person.
Why eventual harm? Well, maybe I'm influenced by research studies that I've read as well as my own experience. For example, psychologist J.M. Prescott, in The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, found that societies forbidding premarital sex are plagued by acts of rage, and tend to have higher rates of crime and violence. He also found a link between sexual repression and aggression, insensitivity, criminal behavior, and a greater likelihood of killing and torturing enemies. Like any study, there could be some bias here, but it's not the only one I've seen
QuoteWhy eventual harm? Well, maybe I'm influenced by research studies that I've read as well as my own experience. For example, psychologist J.M. Prescott, in The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, found that societies forbidding premarital sex are plagued by acts of rage, and tend to have higher rates of crime and violence. He also found a link between sexual repression and aggression, insensitivity, criminal behavior, and a greater likelihood of killing and torturing enemies. Like any study, there could be some bias here, but it's not the only one I've seenWhat! He found that this was all due to refraining from sex?! It sounds more like the setting was a society where the religious beliefs were forced. I would agree that any society built on anything than free will would be disordered. But this does not indite chastity, but rather authoritarianism.
Quote from: John21 on 15/01/2009 23:27:25Demo, QuoteHi again, Martin. As I mentioned earlier, I think abstinence is eventually unhealthy for everyone. We are sexual beings. The length of time abstinent is the only variable. Just curious, why do you think that abstinence is unhealthy? You say "eventually" so I presume you think that refraining from sex will over time do damage somehow. We are indeed sexual beings but I don't know of any way in which not "using it" could harm a person. Hi, John, great to see you back, I know you're busy, but I always love hearing from the "Founder" of this forum (NOTE to everyone: John was the very first, brave poster here! 2 years ago.)John, I know that I'm sticking my neck out here. I'm not an expert. I'm only speaking out because abstinence is a potential POIS "cure". I'm willing to be convinced the other way; maybe I just haven't yet found evidence of "healthy/happy celibacy".
[Abstinent yet not well adjusted, not content per Demo:] Not my experience. I know one man with two decades of abstinence and one with four years short of a century and they are two of the most well adjusted, content human beings I know.
As far as abstincenc/celibacy is concerned, I never have had issues with extended abstinence. My body may say otherwise and act on its own (100% of time), yet with the abstinence itself,I have no negative reactions. I can be just fine. I can go a few months easily.
I'm only speaking out because abstinence is a potential POIS "cure".
Quote from: demografx on 16/01/2009 00:33:57I'm only speaking out because abstinence is a potential POIS "cure". That's a bold claim, and if it's true, then it seems sane to determine what the impediments are to pursuing that as an adjunctive therapy.
Quote from: SteveD on 16/01/2009 02:27:18Quote from: demografx on 16/01/2009 00:33:57I'm only speaking out because abstinence is a potential POIS "cure". That's a bold claim, and if it's true, then it seems sane to determine what the impediments are to pursuing that as an adjunctive therapy. We all experience the "cure"! I'm just saying that when we are abstinent, we are not having orgasm(s),therefore no POIS. No orgasm = no POIS.
Quote from: demografx on 16/01/2009 02:52:23Quote from: SteveD on 16/01/2009 02:27:18Quote from: demografx on 16/01/2009 00:33:57I'm only speaking out because abstinence is a potential POIS "cure". That's a bold claim, and if it's true, then it seems sane to determine what the impediments are to pursuing that as an adjunctive therapy. We all experience the "cure"! I'm just saying that when we are abstinent, we are not having orgasm(s),therefore no POIS. No orgasm = no POIS.A guy goes into a doctor's office, holds up his right hand. "It hurts when I do this" The doctor says "Well, then don't do that !