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I am sorry if I went off topic, but I thought it was important to point out the difference between indeterminate time; time line, and determinate time; cycles and waves. Indeterminate time is closer to the concept of entropy. Entropy does not spontaneously cycle, but follows a line to the future. Determinate time is more like a wave, that repeats itself thereby making it easy to predict the future. We as humans, align ourselves with clocks, thereby placing ourselves in a repeatable future pattern, like a wave, so we can better control the future.
Quote from: puppypower on 15/03/2016 12:31:22I am sorry if I went off topic, but I thought it was important to point out the difference between indeterminate time; time line, and determinate time; cycles and waves. Indeterminate time is closer to the concept of entropy. Entropy does not spontaneously cycle, but follows a line to the future. Determinate time is more like a wave, that repeats itself thereby making it easy to predict the future. We as humans, align ourselves with clocks, thereby placing ourselves in a repeatable future pattern, like a wave, so we can better control the future. I will reply the rest in a while, I just wanted to discuss the prediction of things, the only reason in my opinion that we can predict things, is because we can see the ''start'' and ''finish'' at the same time. i.e we do not predict a planets path, we can observe where it is going to.
Relativity tends focus on deterministic time and correlates this well. For most people this is the only expression of time that is taught in science, but not in philosophy. Deterministic time is a wave, with relativity applicable to most of the waves. Science has not done as much work with indeterminate time, which can't be fully expressed with waves and cyclic events. I have tried to show how one might include this via the concept of entropy, since this is the closest physical concept to indeterminate time.
If there is no relationship then why can't we discuss this looking for an answer?
There is a relationship but you reject the established answer and introduce new concepts. The best place to discuss those is here, far more scope to experiment with ideas.
Nobody has given me an established answer
There is no apparent obvious relationship that I can see.
Quote from: Thebox on 15/03/2016 14:55:50There is no apparent obvious relationship that I can see.True
Quote from: Colin2B on 15/03/2016 16:41:17Quote from: Thebox on 15/03/2016 14:55:50There is no apparent obvious relationship that I can see.TrueSo it would be now contradictory of you if you said that there is time dilation after admitting there is no relationship?
I did not say there is no relationship.Reread what I wrote.
You inferred there is a truth that there is no apparent relationship,
Quote from: Thebox on 16/03/2016 12:43:16You inferred there is a truth that there is no apparent relationship,I inferred nothing of the sort. Please stop misquoting me, otherwise there is little point in having any conversation. You do it all the time including misquoting that photons can't be observed.I said quite clearly that I agree with your comment that "there is no obvious relationship that you can see.The rest of us can see it, you can't.Again pointless discussing anything with you.