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The rule says:QuoteThe site is not for evangelising your own pet theory. It is perfectly acceptable that you should post your own theory up for discussion, but if all you want to do is promote your own idea and are not inviting critical debate about it, then that will not be acceptable.The essence of the rule seems to be that it's okay to discuss a personal theory so long as actual debate takes place. My own interpretation would be that one should defend their position using rational arguments and evidence rather than ignoring or downplaying arguments against them, repeating a claim over and over without offering evidence (or in the face of counter-evidence) or simply advertising without any discussion at all.I'm relatively new as a moderator, so these views may or may not be shared by the other moderators.
The site is not for evangelising your own pet theory. It is perfectly acceptable that you should post your own theory up for discussion, but if all you want to do is promote your own idea and are not inviting critical debate about it, then that will not be acceptable.
Bruce Metzger, “The evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is overwhelming. Nothing in history is more certain than that the disciples believed that, after being crucified, dead, and buried, Christ rose again from the tomb on the third day, and that at intervals thereafter he met and conversed with them.”
Hundreds of millions of people claim the same profound, other worldly impact that he has had on their lives personally through the Spirit He sent in His place just as He promised before He was crucified. This is a phenomenon. It is unprecedented. Scientists cannot simply dismiss what this mass of humanity swear by.
In attempting to point out his divine nature I may have "evangelized" without intending to. I don't know exactly what is permitted and what isn't, so I'm on my own.
Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 23:53:14please stop harassing me.Calling you out for making false statements is not harassment, not least because you can so easily avoid it.
please stop harassing me.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 23:54:23Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 23:52:47Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 21:53:57Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 17:14:19Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 16:05:44By the time you said I lack clear thinking, you had already told me to, "Tell the truth for the first time in your life" OK, show everybody where I said that.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 23:52:47Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 21:53:57Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 17:14:19Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 16:05:44By the time you said I lack clear thinking, you had already told me to, "Tell the truth for the first time in your life" OK, show everybody where I said that.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 21:53:57Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 17:14:19Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 16:05:44By the time you said I lack clear thinking, you had already told me to, "Tell the truth for the first time in your life" OK, show everybody where I said that.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 17:14:19Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 16:05:44By the time you said I lack clear thinking, you had already told me to, "Tell the truth for the first time in your life" OK, show everybody where I said that.
Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 16:05:44By the time you said I lack clear thinking, you had already told me to, "Tell the truth for the first time in your life" OK, show everybody where I said that.
By the time you said I lack clear thinking, you had already told me to, "Tell the truth for the first time in your life"
Just another small comment, you could stop this by answering his question.
Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 23:53:14 Bruce Metzger, “The evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is overwhelming. Nothing in history is more certain than that the disciples believed that, after being crucified, dead, and buried, Christ rose again from the tomb on the third day, and that at intervals thereafter he met and conversed with them.”This quotation contains an illogical sleight of hand. He states that the evidence is overwhelming, but uses the disciples belief as ‘proof’. However, belief is not proof of the existence of the object of that belief eg the resurrection.Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 23:43:40Hundreds of millions of people claim the same profound, other worldly impact that he has had on their lives personally through the Spirit He sent in His place just as He promised before He was crucified. This is a phenomenon. It is unprecedented. Scientists cannot simply dismiss what this mass of humanity swear by. Scientists do not dismiss it, but they recognise it as belief, and also recognise that belief is a very powerful emotion and strong motivator, both for good and evil. However, when we are talking about credible evidence, belief is not good enough, even when something is believed by a large number of people. In another thread I gave one example where most of the citizens of the world believed something we now know to be incorrect; there are many other examples. We really cannot rely on belief for credible evidence.What I do not understand in all the threads you have started is why you set out to prove the existence of Jesus when the main question is about the existence of God. Even if you were to prove that Jesus existed, died on the cross, and survived, and people believe he is the son of God, you do not thereby prove the existence of God. Neither can you look back at historical texts and prove the existence of God; such texts only tell us what was believed at the time. If you want to provide credible scientific evidence for the existence of God today, you have to use the scientific method. Asking people’s opinion is of no help whatsoever.Are you able to propose a way of using the scientific method to determine whether there is credible evidence of his existence? And I don’t mean credible evidence of people’s belief in him. Bear in mind that there are alternative beliefs about Jesus eg by Muslims, and those beliefs are no less meaningful and influential to them as they are to you.I don’t believe it is possible to use science or any other method to prove or provide evidence of God. In the end all you show is belief.Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 23:43:40In attempting to point out his divine nature I may have "evangelized" without intending to. I don't know exactly what is permitted and what isn't, so I'm on my own.We all appreciate the strength of your belief and what it means to you and how much you want to share that belief. However, this is not the best forum to to share that belief, because as you say you can end up evangelising. You may be surprised to hear that you have been given more leeway than most, please don’t abuse it.By the way, when I pointed out that you had misquoted, you accused me of lying and subsequently said you would not reply to me. That irritated me and in the heat of the moment I made the comment about my poor expectation of your replies; I stand by that comment, but given a moment of reflection I would have worded it differently.Just another small comment, you could stop this by answering his question. It is not harassment to ask for evidence of your statements. Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 23:56:09Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 23:53:14please stop harassing me.Calling you out for making false statements is not harassment, not least because you can so easily avoid it.
the apostles were certain Christ rose from the dead.
Quote from: puppypower on 09/05/2020 12:46:37One way to address proof of GodAfter this opening line there were several paragraphs, but there was no proof of God, or even any supporting evidence of God. All that was said is basically if there is a God and spirit, then maybe it works something like this.... Still looking for evidence.
One way to address proof of God
More precisely, of course, they told people that Christ had risen from the dead. Whether they actually believed it or had any evidence for it is as likely as Donald Trump's statements about injecting disinfectant.
Anyway, the answer to your question is that you haven't presented any such evidence or even a testable definition of god, and AFAIK neither has anyone else, ever.
Just look at the non-stop hostility.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 23:59:18Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 23:54:23Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 23:52:47Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 21:53:57Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/05/2020 17:14:19Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 16:05:44By the time you said I lack clear thinking, you had already told me to, "Tell the truth for the first time in your life" OK, show everybody where I said that.
Quote from: alancalverd on 10/05/2020 12:21:20Anyway, the answer to your question is that you haven't presented any such evidence or even a testable definition of god, and AFAIK neither has anyone else, ever.Hundreds of millions disagree.
What I do not understand in all the threads you have started is why you set out to prove the existence of Jesus when the main question is about the existence of God.
And you still don't acknowledge your own aggressive hostility you and others have used.
Jesus is GOD.
Quote from: duffyd on 10/05/2020 12:57:20Quote from: alancalverd on 10/05/2020 12:21:20Anyway, the answer to your question is that you haven't presented any such evidence or even a testable definition of god, and AFAIK neither has anyone else, ever.Hundreds of millions disagree.If it isn't evidence, what is it?
Quote from: duffyd on 09/05/2020 14:08:19the apostles were certain Christ rose from the dead.….and the world was flat and the sun travelled round the earth. More precisely, of course, they told people that Christ had risen from the dead. Whether they actually believed it or had any evidence for it is as likely as Donald Trump's statements about injecting disinfectant. Anyway, the answer to your question is that you haven't presented any such evidence or even a testable definition of god, and AFAIK neither has anyone else, ever.