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Quote from: mad aetherist on 22/03/2019 07:00:29Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/03/2019 06:54:07Quote from: mad aetherist on 21/03/2019 22:09:07So how come they kept getting the right answer, Because it's the right answer. What else would they get?U said the 4 K reference must vary, thats why they couldnt have gotten the right answer, unless of course, they, they, cheated. Does your house have thermostats?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/03/2019 06:54:07Quote from: mad aetherist on 21/03/2019 22:09:07So how come they kept getting the right answer, Because it's the right answer. What else would they get?U said the 4 K reference must vary, thats why they couldnt have gotten the right answer, unless of course, they, they, cheated.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 21/03/2019 22:09:07So how come they kept getting the right answer, Because it's the right answer. What else would they get?
So how come they kept getting the right answer,
cooling is by closing some blinds during the day
My house doesnt have thermostats.
the LFI 4 K reference used for calibration etc has no cooling or heating,
My thinking is that it is the Earth's atmosphere (ie the water in the atmosphere) that gives the CMBR signal, & the temperature of the upper atmosphere is i think not very variable.
I am not sure what this means.............the hydrogen bonding energy system is already fully occupied at earthly temperatures........
Satellite data obtained by COBE strengthen the idea that the Earth does produce the microwave background [
And the Sun's radiation has very little seasonal variation.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 01/04/2019 00:16:02My thinking is that it is the Earth's atmosphere (ie the water in the atmosphere) that gives the CMBR signal, & the temperature of the upper atmosphere is i think not very variable.It wasn't me who said it, but never mind.You are right. The temperature of the upper atmosphere doesn't change very much According to thishttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1950.tb00338.xthe data indicate " indicate a diurnal temperature range of the order of 10 to 15° C."Now that's a huge range compared to the variation of the CMBR. But it gets worse. Here's some data on the actual temperaturehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_temperature And it varies from about 190K to 280K Yet you seem to be claiming that it's at 2.7K in order to emit the CMBR. Can you explain why the data is roughly a hundredfold wrong?Quote from: mad aetherist on 01/04/2019 00:16:02I am not sure what this means.............the hydrogen bonding energy system is already fully occupied at earthly temperatures........I can help with that. It's meaningless. But you still have to explain why you get exactly the same answer when you measure it in space, miles from Earth- and looking in the wrong direction, and so this is just insane. Quote from: mad aetherist on 01/04/2019 00:16:02Satellite data obtained by COBE strengthen the idea that the Earth does produce the microwave background [.
I notice that the idiot-mafia still talk of interference from the atmosphere as being due to oxygen
The hundredfold difference is explained by Robitaille. H
The critical issue is the temp of the upper layers of EZ water. This will i think be just below the tropopause. T
The rubbish one reads re the large variation of temps very high up is of course coming from the same idiots who think that the Sun's corona is at 1 million deg when it is actually at about 5000 deg.
My new explanation is that the EZ water
any change (eg 1 K) in the actual average temperature of the atmospheric EZ water (which is say 280 K) has only a 1/80 K or even 1/240 K effect on the apparent faux-temperature (which is say 2.725 K).
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Our universe is mostly composed of hydrogen, which has a boiling point of around 10K.
If most of the hydrogen of the universe was solid hydrogen ice crystals, cooled to 2.7K, we would get universal black body radiation, that looks like the cosmic background radiation
We also know that water is the most common molecule in the universe,
Previous discussions, early in this topic, mentioned hydrogen bonding in the earth's oceans and atmosphere adding note that can be mistaken for the CMBR.
The question becomes is there a semi-stable sub cooled solid hydrogen phase at 2.7K.
it would also be a candidate for superconductivity
which may helped the affect we see.