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Nightingale and Kurtosis, could you please explain in details the threatment are you doing? I don't understand well.It would help if you make a post with the things you are using, the quantity, how many times a day, and the lab you bought.Thanks
Quote from: fidalgo on 23/07/2012 14:40:26Nightingale and Kurtosis, could you please explain in details the threatment are you doing? I don't understand well.It would help if you make a post with the things you are using, the quantity, how many times a day, and the lab you bought.ThanksFirst, thanks for the info kurtosis. Fidalgo, I have posted in detail everything you are asking for on the other POIS forums. You should register there, because from what I understand we can't talk about specific retailers/brands because of NSF forum policies.You should register there anyways, because finding information like this is much easier there. I will send you a private message with the link (we can't advertise our own forums on here also because of NSF rules)
Just like to make a few points on this. 1) Wellbutrin will increase your dopamine levels. That makes it a very different treatment to the SSRI anti-depressants most of us have been prescribed for POIS. It's also very different to ritalin and will have very different long term side effects from its use. Even if someone told me ritalin would cure POIS I'd be very worried about taking it long term. In all the technical details I posted about prostaglandins etc. it appears plausible that dopamine and other catecholamines are out of balance and wellbutrin would help fix that. If anybody has been sent to a psychiatrist to treat their POIS then they could do a lot worse than asking them if they could try wellbutrin. 2) Anyone who has a severe neurochemical balance problem (which an O might be triggering in POIS) could suffer a really bad reaction the first time they take a treatment that may work very well in the long run. One of the big problems is that the number of receptors for neurotransmitters in the brain reduces when there's too little of the neurotransmitter in the brain. The brain strives for efficiency and tries to do more with less but it can't work miracles so the sufferer feels flat, depressed, slow-thinking etc. The treatment increases the levels of neurotransmitters which floods your brain initially. Psychiatrists do their best to vary doses to find the right level but it's not exact and everyone is different. This is a known problem with some other anti-depressants where someone can experience severe mood swings and may feel physically sick in the first few days. It's not a reason to stop taking it and you should consult the psychiatrist who prescribed it immediately. I don't think anybody could write off the benefit of wellbutrin to them without trying it first _under medical supervision_
Quote from: kurtosis on 21/07/2012 11:06:22Just like to make a few points on this. 1) Wellbutrin will increase your dopamine levels. That makes it a very different treatment to the SSRI anti-depressants most of us have been prescribed for POIS. It's also very different to ritalin and will have very different long term side effects from its use. Even if someone told me ritalin would cure POIS I'd be very worried about taking it long term. In all the technical details I posted about prostaglandins etc. it appears plausible that dopamine and other catecholamines are out of balance and wellbutrin would help fix that. If anybody has been sent to a psychiatrist to treat their POIS then they could do a lot worse than asking them if they could try wellbutrin. 2) Anyone who has a severe neurochemical balance problem (which an O might be triggering in POIS) could suffer a really bad reaction the first time they take a treatment that may work very well in the long run. One of the big problems is that the number of receptors for neurotransmitters in the brain reduces when there's too little of the neurotransmitter in the brain. The brain strives for efficiency and tries to do more with less but it can't work miracles so the sufferer feels flat, depressed, slow-thinking etc. The treatment increases the levels of neurotransmitters which floods your brain initially. Psychiatrists do their best to vary doses to find the right level but it's not exact and everyone is different. This is a known problem with some other anti-depressants where someone can experience severe mood swings and may feel physically sick in the first few days. It's not a reason to stop taking it and you should consult the psychiatrist who prescribed it immediately. I don't think anybody could write off the benefit of wellbutrin to them without trying it first _under medical supervision_ Hi Kurtosis,Just curious - what were your symptoms of POIS? Was it mostly cognitive, and did you happen to have any pressure in the head like a lot of us do?Thanks
Kurtosis, I know that I have asked you this before on a prior regimen.. What brands and when around orgasm do you take these supplements.Thanks for your continuous help,Jon.
Kurtosis Method.... IT WORKSI've been on it for 6 days, and I'm in full agreement with Nightingale... this is the real deal. I don't feel as if my problems are masked, but I rather feel as if they're cured. I know I created the 2-week rule, and I'm breaking it in a bad way right now. Sometimes rules were meant to be broken. His solution is vitamins... not a drug, not a stimulant, so I'm extremeley hopeful that this isn't a short term positive feeling. Also, I feel increasingly better each day. (note, I have limited email access over the next couple wks, but will try to keep ya'll updated...)
Quote from: B_Daniel on 26/07/2012 22:36:36Kurtosis Method.... IT WORKSI've been on it for 6 days, and I'm in full agreement with Nightingale... this is the real deal. I don't feel as if my problems are masked, but I rather feel as if they're cured. I know I created the 2-week rule, and I'm breaking it in a bad way right now. Sometimes rules were meant to be broken. His solution is vitamins... not a drug, not a stimulant, so I'm extremeley hopeful that this isn't a short term positive feeling. Also, I feel increasingly better each day. (note, I have limited email access over the next couple wks, but will try to keep ya'll updated...)That is AMAZING news B_Daniel! I ordered my vitamins a few days ago and am still waiting for them. But I am SO excited to hear that this Kurtosis vitamin regimen is really working for a lot of us. I can't wait to give them a try! It would be great for us to find out which vitamins are the most important in making us feel better. I ordered pretty much everything except the huperzine A, but if that is a key ingredient then I'll buy that one in a hurry, haha.Also, I agree with pois-sufferer that it would be nice to get a synopsis from everyone it is helping. (Maybe they will create a topic soon on the other forum like they did for the niacin results, showing what exactly people are taking and how they are feeling after. This will probably happen after more people start trying the vitamins out.)Ok peace out...and I'll keep everyone updated when I try it out.
I'd order the huperzine A & take as described on the other forum. You could take 200mcg every second day or 100mcg / day. I wouldn't recommend taking it every day for more than 4/5 days a week. These might just be "herbs and vitamins" but the pharmacological effects of something like Huperzine are noticeable. Specifically it's an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, similar to the way many anti-depressants inhibit serotonin reuptake. It's a drug that's being tested to treat alzheimers. Remember that aspirin was derived from willow bark so herb's can be potent and much of our medicine has derived from understanding the actions of herbal remedies. Now what I don't know, is whether Huperzine is providing a lift but our acetylcholine levels are around normal range or whether it's treating a diminishment in our acetylcholine levels. The latter is the "muscle weakness" hypothesis and it's difficult to test.