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Quote from: Vincent Marcus on 12/11/2011 07:47:12Quote from: Pharaoh on 12/11/2011 01:46:27over-the-counter meds will be as unhelpful for us as it is for people with severe allergies to specific foods or bee stings. i don't wanna be rude or anything but i just wanna point out that normal over the counter Claritin has been very effective in treating mine and some others' POIS symptoms. I plan on trying benadryl next....SymptomsSymptoms develop rapidly, often within seconds or minutes. They may include the following:Abdominal pain or crampingAbnormal (high-pitched) breathing soundsAnxietyConfusionCoughDiarrheaDifficulty breathingDifficulty swallowingFainting, light-headedness, dizzinessHives, itchinessNasal congestionNausea, vomitingPalpitationsSkin rednessSlurred speechWheezingsource: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000844.htmLooks familiar? ...
Quote from: Pharaoh on 12/11/2011 01:46:27over-the-counter meds will be as unhelpful for us as it is for people with severe allergies to specific foods or bee stings. i don't wanna be rude or anything but i just wanna point out that normal over the counter Claritin has been very effective in treating mine and some others' POIS symptoms. I plan on trying benadryl next.
over-the-counter meds will be as unhelpful for us as it is for people with severe allergies to specific foods or bee stings.
Not quite sure if anyone will find this helpful or not. If they do, I'd say it's a big leap forward for some if not many. []First of all, I'm "cured" now thanks to my doctor (and the pills he prescribed []).In short, I've found that my cognitive functions are between 60%-100% of what could be considered normal approximately five days after an O. After two weeks we're closer to being in the range of 85-100 %. The day after an O, well.. most of you probably know. Might as well erase all in my calendar for the next half-week.I've noticed that Sam-e gives me a slight relief, but not something that could be attributed a cure. Tyrosine gives me a temporary boost, which helps, sometimes a lot, most of the time just slightly.The doctor wasn't too keen on the idea of POIS.. considered it more a symptom than anything else. Not the actual problem. He, however, was quick to prescribe me bupropion (known as wellbutrin too). That definitely made me feel better by a large margin [], but I had my "crash" days too. [] Now, after me giving up on wellbutrin, my doctor and I went along with further treatments for ADD, or attention deficit disorder. So, immediately after popping the pill for strattera, I've gradually started to feel what is "normal", or dare I say almost perfect! [] []I have a lot of strength, I move about much more freely, exercising is a breeze and I feel energetic. [] After an O, I still feel a bit woozy for a day (the same day, maybe the next one too), and I have some trouble concentrating, but this is closer to being at "day 5"! So no more lethargy and tiredness and that awful feeling in your head, especially when you try to work your brain. []So, I have been diagnosed with (some degree of) ADD, which appears to be the correct diagnosis thinking even way back from childhood. However, if I haven't had an orgasm for two weeks or more, I would hardly be classified as a true ADD.So ADD or POIS? I don't think they can be excluded in any way. Have POIS? Then what you get is ADD after an orgasm. Have ADD? Well the problem is likely to be aggravated by having an orgasm as it depletes the very chemicals that an ADD person is deficient in.Strattera are not the same as stimulants! So it can't be really compared with adderal or ritalin. Instead, strattera are overpriced pills that have really gut wrenching (literally) side effects, and may not work for everyone with ADD. My experience is that the initial single dose of 40mg is too much, or at least too much at a time. Too tired & too wired. But splitting a 80mg dose (to save money), so you have 10mg in the morning, 10 in the afternoon and 10mg in the evening is splendit to say the least.[O8)]This is just my thoughts on the issue! I may have ADD, I may have POIS, but I probably have both. []Hope this is of some help, especially for those going the ADD/ADHD way. []Cheers!Wibin []
Quote from: Pharaoh on 12/11/2011 18:17:42The problem with the ADD theory is that POIS symptoms are only triggered following ejaculation and persist for a definite period of time. The ADD meds work because they initiate dopamine release, thereby counteracting the cognitive symptoms. This does not address the underlying pathology...Also, you make it sound like POIS-sufferers have some underlying problem that is fundamentally different from that of a "normal" person? I cannot see how, as most people feel tired after orgasm and much of historic asian and modern western methods of making love involve avoiding orgasm and heightened arousal. You can find hundreds of books on amazon on that topic - each of them emphasising the avoidance too heightened stimulus. I believe what differs between a normal person and a POIS-sufferer is the degree of effects, which last days instead of hours, nothing more. Also, I doubt there will be any *real* cure - no one will cut POIS out. So I don't understand why add medication would not be the answer if it indeed addresses the problems, for all intents and purposes, fully. The best one can hope is to manage it with medication when it surfaces, much like ADD, depression etc. ...
The problem with the ADD theory is that POIS symptoms are only triggered following ejaculation and persist for a definite period of time. The ADD meds work because they initiate dopamine release, thereby counteracting the cognitive symptoms. This does not address the underlying pathology.
Pharaoh raised an interesting point. In a way, high achievement and extreme focus required for demanding analytical tasks are as anomalous as POIS symptoms and both may be related to the dopamine cycle. Perhaps our return to homeostasis following orgasm is just as long as anyone else's BUT the amounts of chemicals released during orgasm are disproportionate. I'm thinking of the "orgasm cycle" described here http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/200908/orgasm-s-hidden-cycle and wondering whether we're not that different to anybody else but the peaks/troughs are great enough to lead to problematic cognitive deficits. Also, has anyone else tried piracetam? It lifts the brain fog (after a day or so) without any side effects even if I'm uncertain as to why (although the action of piracetam is uncertain in any event). Anyway, just throwing thoughts out there. Discussed this with my partner and that's a huge load of my mind!Re. strattera and it not affecting dopamine levels. It's important to think of the whole system of chemicals here as our brains try to normalise based on whatever chemicals are present. Atomoxetine is a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor so it's almost certain to have an effect on other catecholamines. They're all synthesised from tyrosine and so preventing reuptake of one can lead to an increase in another. As far as I understand it. Haven't studied much chemistry since my undergrad days
Quote from: demografx on 12/11/2011 23:23:07Benadryl is great for me to force sleep/naps. The more I sleep, the more I shake off POIS .I also find that sleep is one of the best remedies for POIS thus I always have my "o"s before going to bed or as I'm falling asleep. Sometimes I have trouble falling asleep so benadryl could possibly help me get to sleep faster as well or perhaps possibly give me better quality sleep even though I believe it's not known for that.
Benadryl is great for me to force sleep/naps. The more I sleep, the more I shake off POIS .
Quote from: demografx on 12/11/2011 03:52:12Quote from: Pharaoh on 12/11/2011 01:46:27 What we have is Anaphylaxis...Everyone on this forum is engaged in speculation. Theories range from ADD to some virus, and even metaphysical causes. Non of us are physicians or have the training to speak intelligently on the mechanisms involved. But, we have every right to discuss our symptoms and speculate on what we believe is triggering this given that we are constantly experimenting with different substances in the hope of finding relief. My postion on Anaphylaxis is that we have a serious auto-immune reaction, more severe than the typical case of Hay's fever, and less than an extreme case of Anaphylaxis. I believe much of the cognitive problems result not only from the allergic response, but because when the allergic response kicks in, our neurochemical conditions are unique to the orgasmic condition. This "interaction" of sort may be an area of interest to explore. Imagine one having sex and as they begin to orgasm and ejaculate sperm, they stung by a bee. If this individual has a severe allergy to bee venom (not enough to cause Aanphylaxis) then would they suffer brain fog and social anxiety for days afterwards? In other words, can we separate the allergy from the neurological symptoms given the mind-altering condition triggered by orgasm? No! What evidence do you have for this?edit - There are 1,500 U.S. deaths yearly from Anaphylaxis. Source: National Center for Health StatisticsPharaoh, you have not responded to my question above.I now ask that you delete your extremely inaccurate statement about POIS and anaphylaxis from your post. Thank you for cooperating.
Quote from: Pharaoh on 12/11/2011 01:46:27 What we have is Anaphylaxis...Everyone on this forum is engaged in speculation. Theories range from ADD to some virus, and even metaphysical causes. Non of us are physicians or have the training to speak intelligently on the mechanisms involved. But, we have every right to discuss our symptoms and speculate on what we believe is triggering this given that we are constantly experimenting with different substances in the hope of finding relief. My postion on Anaphylaxis is that we have a serious auto-immune reaction, more severe than the typical case of Hay's fever, and less than an extreme case of Anaphylaxis. I believe much of the cognitive problems result not only from the allergic response, but because when the allergic response kicks in, our neurochemical conditions are unique to the orgasmic condition. This "interaction" of sort may be an area of interest to explore. Imagine one having sex and as they begin to orgasm and ejaculate sperm, they stung by a bee. If this individual has a severe allergy to bee venom (not enough to cause Aanphylaxis) then would they suffer brain fog and social anxiety for days afterwards? In other words, can we separate the allergy from the neurological symptoms given the mind-altering condition triggered by orgasm? No! What evidence do you have for this?edit - There are 1,500 U.S. deaths yearly from Anaphylaxis. Source: National Center for Health Statistics
What we have is Anaphylaxis...
Quote from: Pharaoh on 12/11/2011 13:02:00It's clear this is a severe auto-immune disorder.Pharaoh, I insist that you stop immediately with your totally unfounded statements!This is a warning.
It's clear this is a severe auto-immune disorder.
I know exactly what you're going through. I was taking university courses in mathematics in the summer as a 6th grader. I could sleep through classes and still manage an A. Then in high school things started to change. In university, it was disastrous. Now that I'm a doctoral student, it's extremely difficult, but I still manage. The exams are toughest. To concentrate for that length of time and retain the information I've read is near impossible. I find that people believe I'm incompetent because I'm unable to communicate, but then are baffled when my work is superior. No doubt this illness has had an immeasurably debilitating effect on my life. It's a curse.
Quote from: Pharaoh on 12/11/2011 18:17:42I know exactly what you're going through. I was taking university courses in mathematics in the summer as a 6th grader. I could sleep through classes and still manage an A. Then in high school things started to change. In university, it was disastrous. Now that I'm a doctoral student, it's extremely difficult, but I still manage. The exams are toughest. To concentrate for that length of time and retain the information I've read is near impossible. I find that people believe I'm incompetent because I'm unable to communicate, but then are baffled when my work is superior. No doubt this illness has had an immeasurably debilitating effect on my life. It's a curse. I second all that. I'm at a top business school in the country because I dominated the first half of the gmat. I say only the first half, because the extreme concentration that a test that like required, drained me so badly that by the second half of the test I could hardly think. Damn pois. Still, I managed to do very well overall. Now I'm in school, and when the professor calls on me to summarize a chapter, my answer sounds so poor that everyone thinks I skimmed the chapter for 2 mins before walking in the door - when really I spent an hour reading it. Presenting is the worst for me.
Quote from: demografx on 13/11/2011 22:21:05Quote from: Pharaoh on 12/11/2011 13:02:00It's clear this is a severe auto-immune disorder.Pharaoh, I insist that you stop immediately with your totally unfounded statements!This is a warning.How is that possibly totally unfounded when it is currently the only acceptable theory in the academic literature? Was it not Dr. Waldinger who coined the term POIS and hypothesized that it is an auto-immune disorder? Was his work not published in the elite Journal of Sexual Medicine? Didn't Dr. Paduch of Cornell also confirm that it is currently the prevailing theory? Regarding the anaphylaxis, I've deleted that, but I must say, I'm surprised at how this forum has become censored. The only "accurate" statements that can be made must be taken directly from Waldinger or any other scholarly research paper. Which, again is exactly what I did when I specified POIS as an auto-immune disorder. It's the equivalent of being threatened for mentioned that influenze is caused by a virus. So, who's going to visit Paduch? I'll see what I can get out of the allergist. Btw, Lorazepam definitely helps. It's an anti-anxiety helps calm you down and deal wit the social anxiety. I was just hitting on a girl in the smoothie shop. I would never have been able to do that during day 2 of POIS. The issue is, that I can't drive while on this stuff. In the past month I think I've introduced POIS to at least 12 doctors and 5 nurses. Part of the problem were facing is that if a doctor isn't familiar with a disorder, they have trouble accepting its existence. And they most definitely wil not attempt to treat it. We have to keep fighting guys, any progress is good progress. Good luck.
I vehemently attempt to abstain from sexual encounters, I have given up any form of digital, sex encouraging videos and images. I have avoided masturbation for more or less a month, but the inevitable nocturnal emissions are relentlessly persisting. I just had one this morning, after about six days of celibate abstinence. This untimely occurrence has left my newly developed bubble of hope mercilessly punctured. I feel deflated, drained and torn. Is this some divine punishment for my past mistake of caving into masturbation from the very start? Honestly, sometimes, I just feel like to end it all.... I feel like pulling the chord on my own survival. This is a nightmare
Honestly, sometimes, I just feel like to end it all.... I feel like pulling the chord on my own survival. This is a nightmare.
A french article about Pois.Funny pics :( " With his allergy, we will come out less often : we will take a rest! ""