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Epidemiology shows that the people who have taken the most breaths are most likely to die, but it doesn't suggest that breathing is dangerous. big aleveryone who breathes is just as likely to die as everyone else
Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23Why are you playing games?We aren.We are trying to do science-- this is, after all, a science page.If you don't like it, the door is over there.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23What's the point? IAnswering questions.That's the point of science; finding stuff out.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23If you have already decided GOD doesn't exist, why bother asking the same questions? There is nothing in the post you quoted which implies in any way that the poster has assumed that God does not exist.If anything, if you ascribe properties to a God, you tacitly imply that He alt least may exist.Why pretend that it makes the assumption there's no God?Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23why do you change the subject and return to past topics Because people drag things off topic.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23to ask more questions that have already been answered?The question has not been answered.You have pretended that it has been- but that's because you either lie about it, or you don't know what proof is.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23 But, if you don't want answers, why keep asking the same kinds of questions repeatedly?To get answersQuote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23But, if you don't want answers, why keep asking the same kinds of questions repeatedly?We do want answers.Please provide some.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23You already have the answers. No we don't.That's why we keep asking.If you think we have the answer please point out where that answer isWhat is the action X?Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23What is your point? Trying to get you to answer a question.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23Control? I think so based on your documented history on this issue.There is no documentation of a control issue.There is also no answer to the question.Your statement makes no sense.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23You bounce around, shifting from this to that to that and then this,Get a mirror.You are the one introducing new random attempts at distraction.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23asking more questions until you recognize the answers you've received are more than you can handle. Nobody has provided an answer of any sort.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23Is there some satisfaction in "controlling" Christians you get?That's absurd.There's no suggestion of "control" here.You are deluding yourself.After all, we can't stop you simply walking away.How could we be trying to control you?Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23You have said you despise us.That's just not true.I chalenge you to show where anyone said it.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23The evidence is abundant and crystal clear that you do.No. There really is no evidence for the idea.Please show us what you think is evidence of that.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23That's fine. You should hate us. Hard luck; we don't.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23It is fulfilment of HIS promise to us. A prophecy proven true over and over. (Science)It's not true.You seem to have put the word "science" in there randomly.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23If you have been seeking answers with an unfeigned spirit of genuine interest,We are.Please let us know what the action X is.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23You don't need any more information. Yes we do. Because you have not provided any relevant information.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23. Based on that fact, it certainly appears you have other motivations for making observations and asking questions. It's not a fact that you have based it on; it's made up stuff.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23But, the topic is, "can science prove GOD exists", not, "see if you humiliate people you despise by playing games with them."We know.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23Bear in mind that you don't really know very much about this topic. You may think you do, but you don't, if we are to go by your statements. The topic is about scientific proof of God.We know a lot about science, and you have provided none.The evidence shows that it is you who knows little about the topic; not us.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23 You've been shown many times to be incorrectWhere?You keep saying that, I keep asking where.You keep not answering.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23, but you flee that particular aspect of the topic and raise more questions, like it is a game, like it is fun.No.In the real world it is always you who refuses to answer questions and points.Notably, you refuse to show where we were actually wrong- even though I have asked.And I think it is fair to assume that you will ignore all the questions I have asked here.Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 15:01:23It is all scientifically proven.No. It is not.If you disagree, just show us the proof.
Why are you playing games?
What's the point? I
If you have already decided GOD doesn't exist, why bother asking the same questions?
why do you change the subject and return to past topics
to ask more questions that have already been answered?
But, if you don't want answers, why keep asking the same kinds of questions repeatedly?
You already have the answers.
What is your point?
Control? I think so based on your documented history on this issue.
You bounce around, shifting from this to that to that and then this,
asking more questions until you recognize the answers you've received are more than you can handle.
Is there some satisfaction in "controlling" Christians you get?
You have said you despise us.
The evidence is abundant and crystal clear that you do.
That's fine. You should hate us.
It is fulfilment of HIS promise to us. A prophecy proven true over and over. (Science)
If you have been seeking answers with an unfeigned spirit of genuine interest,
You don't need any more information.
. Based on that fact, it certainly appears you have other motivations for making observations and asking questions.
But, the topic is, "can science prove GOD exists", not, "see if you humiliate people you despise by playing games with them."
Bear in mind that you don't really know very much about this topic. You may think you do, but you don't, if we are to go by your statements.
You've been shown many times to be incorrect
, but you flee that particular aspect of the topic and raise more questions, like it is a game, like it is fun.
It is all scientifically proven.
everyone who breathes is just as likely to die as everyone else
Let us see how bad this pandemic (and those that might follow) gets and whether society becomes much more spiritual and accepts the hypothesis I have put forward. A period of about five years should do it. It life does not change very much, then I guess I have to accept that I was mistaken about the information given to me.
That will still not change my belief that the supernatural exists. I have had too many experiences indicating the existence of the supernatural.
BTW, very, very few people believe this is it, that we don't live on past our death.
Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 19:59:58everyone who breathes is just as likely to die as everyone elseAt last, a scientific fact. Keep up the good work, Duffy.
GG: Naked 4.28.2020 6pmDuffyd says:BTW, very, very few people believe this is it, that we don't live on past our death.GG: There are quite a lot of people who do not believe we live on past our death. However the majority of people in the world today do believe such things. Christians have heaven and hell. So do the Moslem. Hindus believe in reincarnation. When we go back to ancient Egypt we have the sun God and the pharaohs had elaborate surroundings for themselves. Often they would seal living slaves in their tombs so they would have faithful servants in the world to come. The Jews though that God at the end of days would resurrect their bones. The Nazis made this difficult since all cremated bones were mixed together. What value is there in living beyond the grave? Life is a mixture of positive and negative. It is mostly a net zero for most of us. For many it is definitely a negative. The concept of heaven and hell is horrible. Only a monster God would give eternal joy to some at the expense of eternal pain to many others. Assuming we have a just God, then everyone would achieve the same thing. The worst of man would perish and the best of man would perish as well. So the self must be gone in either case. The worst of man perishes into nothingness while the best of man perishes into God. When an individual is absorbed by a just God along with millions of others, the net result is a collective consciousness with no memory of the individual. Thus in death we do live on for a few minutes and then are gone forever.
Quote from: CliveG on 27/04/2020 13:32:13Let us see how bad this pandemic (and those that might follow) gets and whether society becomes much more spiritual and accepts the hypothesis I have put forward. A period of about five years should do it. It life does not change very much, then I guess I have to accept that I was mistaken about the information given to me.Why not let us try to minimize the damages caused by this pandemic? Many countries have tried different methods to do so. We'll see which methods work best. As far as I know, no country exclusively relies on supernatural power to do the job.Quote from: CliveG on 27/04/2020 13:32:13That will still not change my belief that the supernatural exists. I have had too many experiences indicating the existence of the supernatural.What would it take to convince you that your experiences were actually natural phenomena which are explainable for those who have complete information related to them?
Everything that happens is by definition natural, but some natural phenomena are not explained to our satisfaction.
Quote from: Colin2B on 26/04/2020 08:57:25Quote from: CliveG on 26/04/2020 07:02:41It is a jungle out there - and main stream media are clearly seen to have bias and opinion. Choose which one you want. CNN or Fox News for example. "......"...........Clive, this series of posts appear to be off topic, can we bring the thread back to the main question rather than running 2 threads.ThanksI will take some care. Thanks for the civil prompt.
Quote from: CliveG on 26/04/2020 07:02:41It is a jungle out there - and main stream media are clearly seen to have bias and opinion. Choose which one you want. CNN or Fox News for example. "......"...........Clive, this series of posts appear to be off topic, can we bring the thread back to the main question rather than running 2 threads.Thanks
It is a jungle out there - and main stream media are clearly seen to have bias and opinion. Choose which one you want. CNN or Fox News for example. "......"...........
Why do we have a word such as "supernatural"?
Quote from: CliveG on 29/04/2020 10:51:28Why do we have a word such as "supernatural"?Like god, it's a catchall for anything you don't understand and can't be bothered to investigate. See also "consciousness".
Quote from: CliveG on 27/04/2020 07:38:47Quote from: Colin2B on 26/04/2020 08:57:25Quote from: CliveG on 26/04/2020 07:02:41It is a jungle out there - and main stream media are clearly seen to have bias and opinion. Choose which one you want. CNN or Fox News for example. "......"...........Clive, this series of posts appear to be off topic, can we bring the thread back to the main question rather than running 2 threads.ThanksI will take some care. Thanks for the civil prompt.I think you should be taking more care.Incidentally, re"Can one say that cell phone usage leads to higher corona virus deaths?"No, of course not.That's just silly.
That is a hope of some. Others hope for termination. I studied reincarnation and cosmic reincarnation for quite a long time. It is man’s dreams. Yet it is not God’s dreams.
You are redefining words to eliminate the possibility of God.How can one debate when the goalposts keep moving?
Quote from: jerrygg38 on 29/04/2020 19:31:58That is a hope of some. Others hope for termination. I studied reincarnation and cosmic reincarnation for quite a long time. It is man’s dreams. Yet it is not God’s dreams.For most of my life I have assumed that when I die I will cease to exist, except for a while in the memory of some. My experiences tell me that there is likely to be life after death and that we reincarnate. I did not get the belief out of hope that I will not cease to exist. A lot of people fear death and also fear the nothingness that might come, and I accept that some might believe in a soul because it offers hope. I have lived with the belief of simple termination for so long that it does not bother me that I might be wrong..A simple rational reason for reincarnation is that the afterlife would be so full of souls it could not cope. When one goes back to man's origin as a single cell then the number of single celled souls would be even more mind-boggling. If one argues that only modern man (after Neanderthal man) has a soul then one has to ask why? What was the defining point? You should also realize that the concept of life after death has been with humankind for a very long time - probably even with the Neanderthals.
A simple rational reason for reincarnation is that the afterlife would be so full of souls it could not cope. When one goes back to man's origin as a single cell then the number of single celled souls would be even more mind-boggling. If one argues that only modern man (after Neanderthal man) has a soul then one has to ask why?