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I know this is a waste of time, you'll never listen...Quote from: Europa on 20/07/2021 22:07:13Quite wrong as the reason that dark matter is speculated is that there is not enough mass and energy in the universe to fuel not just the expansion of the universe but the acceleration of the expansion velocity.That is simply false. The expansion of the universe was accepted before the discovery of dark matter and dark energy. The acceleration of the expansion of the universe is due to dark energy not dark matter.Quote from: Europa on 20/07/2021 22:07:13Now since this velocity is currently measured at 5 times light speed Einstein's theories are laid to waste.I don't know where you got the '5 times' number but that doesn't matter. There is no prohibition in relativity for the recession velocity of distant galaxies to exceed c as I said. Relativity says that mass cannot move through space faster than c and the recession velocity is not due to distant galaxies moving through space it is due to the expansion of space between us and the distant galaxies.Like I said this is falling on deaf ears, so you will of course continue to wallow in your ignorance - c'est la vie.[shrug]
Quite wrong as the reason that dark matter is speculated is that there is not enough mass and energy in the universe to fuel not just the expansion of the universe but the acceleration of the expansion velocity.
Now since this velocity is currently measured at 5 times light speed Einstein's theories are laid to waste.
Quote from: Europa on 20/07/2021 00:50:14Quote from: alancalverd on 20/07/2021 00:30:55Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 13:50:32It's hard to argue that we aren't living in a simulated worldBut what is it a simulation of? And why?Watch the video where Tyson explains himself. In my opinion the best physicist can not prove that the universe exist because there is 85 percent too little matter to allow for gravitational expansion so they up and created dark matter, but even that fails because new measurements seem to show galaxies moving at 5 times light speed which is impossible under relativity. So all that said now the loonies in charge are claiming that you are really code in a great big computer, something like the Matrix I suppose but Tyson presents it as reality not fiction.//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYAG9dAfy8UThe video title is "Neil deGrasse Tyson: It's hard to argue that we aren't living in a simulated world" with timestamp on 4 Jul 2017.QuoteNeil deGrasse Tyson - like Elon Musk - says it's hard to argue that we aren't living in a simulation, explaining that with the computing power to create worlds - that can create worlds, that then create more worlds - the likelihood that we're living in the "real world" is, at best, slim.Here is his update of what he believes.//www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmcrG7ZZKUcThe video title is "Neil deGrasse Tyson Explains the Simulation Hypothesis" with timestamp on 18 Mar 2020.QuoteNeil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Chuck Nice are here (or are they?) to investigate if we're living in a simulation. We explore the ever-advancing computer power and how that impacts the simulation hypothesis. Chuck wonders if a simulation universe has anything to do with us not being able to travel at the speed of light. You'll learn about Bayesian statistics. Lastly, Neil tells us how he was ready to embrace the simulation hypothesis until he came across a certain idea that changed his mind.
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/07/2021 00:30:55Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 13:50:32It's hard to argue that we aren't living in a simulated worldBut what is it a simulation of? And why?Watch the video where Tyson explains himself. In my opinion the best physicist can not prove that the universe exist because there is 85 percent too little matter to allow for gravitational expansion so they up and created dark matter, but even that fails because new measurements seem to show galaxies moving at 5 times light speed which is impossible under relativity. So all that said now the loonies in charge are claiming that you are really code in a great big computer, something like the Matrix I suppose but Tyson presents it as reality not fiction.//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYAG9dAfy8U
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 13:50:32It's hard to argue that we aren't living in a simulated worldBut what is it a simulation of? And why?
It's hard to argue that we aren't living in a simulated world
Neil deGrasse Tyson - like Elon Musk - says it's hard to argue that we aren't living in a simulation, explaining that with the computing power to create worlds - that can create worlds, that then create more worlds - the likelihood that we're living in the "real world" is, at best, slim.
Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Chuck Nice are here (or are they?) to investigate if we're living in a simulation. We explore the ever-advancing computer power and how that impacts the simulation hypothesis. Chuck wonders if a simulation universe has anything to do with us not being able to travel at the speed of light. You'll learn about Bayesian statistics. Lastly, Neil tells us how he was ready to embrace the simulation hypothesis until he came across a certain idea that changed his mind.
I wonder if either of those men could actually talk if they could not move their hands?
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 13:03:25I wonder if either of those men could actually talk if they could not move their hands? People that talk with their hands only do so because they can't stand each others breath.
One interesting role of gestures is that they can help people to find a word. We all have had the experience of knowing what we want to say, but not being able to find the word. This kind of tip-of-the-tongue phenomenon can be quite frustrating at times.
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 13:15:14One interesting role of gestures is that they can help people to find a word. We all have had the experience of knowing what we want to say, but not being able to find the word. This kind of tip-of-the-tongue phenomenon can be quite frustrating at times. Like if someone is talking to you and you start picking your nose that is a hand gesture to indicate you're not listening.
Actually it is an IQ indicator
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 13:23:33Actually it is an IQ indicatorDo you mean it shows the other person how talented you are?
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 13:03:25I wonder if either of those men could actually talk if they could not move their hands? Do you still think that he believes in God?
Absolutely as he defined God precisely. See those who believe in God accept that they were created by God. Tyson says that God created simulations, he just frames God as a programmer, the faithful believe that God created a simulations that walked away scratched their heads and ask, where did I come from. So we could be termed simulations and Tyson believes that the simulations were created and clearly Tyson is not referencing Darwin's pond
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 13:45:14Absolutely as he defined God precisely. See those who believe in God accept that they were created by God. Tyson says that God created simulations, he just frames God as a programmer, the faithful believe that God created a simulations that walked away scratched their heads and ask, where did I come from. So we could be termed simulations and Tyson believes that the simulations were created and clearly Tyson is not referencing Darwin's pondHave you accounted for 50% chance that we are not in a simulation? Doesn't it means that there is 50% chance that God doesn't exist?
I think the whole idea of a simulated universe is ridiculous as to how could a supercomputer create every atom in existence and place every atom in its place even up my nose why would this computer create sicknesses, diseases and materials throw out the universe that we will never see. I think there is far too much going on and to me that makes it a total reality.
Quote from: Europa on 20/07/2021 22:07:13Now since this velocity is currently measured at 5 times light speed Einstein's theories are laid to waste. No, they aren't.Quote from: Just thinking on 20/07/2021 23:00:04I think the whole idea of a simulated universe is ridiculous as to how could a supercomputer create every atom in existence and place every atom in its place even up my nose why would this computer create sicknesses, diseases and materials throw out the universe that we will never see. I think there is far too much going on and to me that makes it a total reality.Exactly the same comments can be made about the traditional "God".And the essence of Neil De Grasse Tyson's comment is that you can equate the two.So, if you believe in a simulation, you believe in a thing which he chooses to label as God.Setting aside the question of how we might know if this is a simulation or not, the view that God is a computer programmer is not the same as the view that God is a bearded man in the sky who is far too interested in your private life.So it may be true that The Pope and N de G T both say "I believe in God"- but the Gods they believe in are so different as to make the comparison meaningless.I could name my neighbour's cat "God" and claim that I believe in "God"; but I'd still be an atheist.Naming a hypothetical computer program (or programmer) "God" is much the same thing as relabelling the cat.
I accept that I am the product of a molecular computer code called DNA
Again believers believe that they were created by God.
Quote from: Europa on 21/07/2021 16:54:42I accept that I am the product of a molecular computer code called DNAAre you sure that you are not a simulation of that DNA which has been programmed to think DNA is real?
Are you sure that you are not a simulation of that DNA which has been programmed to think DNA is real?YesSo , you are sure that Tyson is wrong, and therefore should not believe in God.(Because his only "reason" for "belief" is something that you are sure is wrong.)Meanwhile, in various bits of the world, people are killing each other because their invisible friend wants to be worshipped on a different day of the week or some such.