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Education of teens needs myth busting where the Christian faith is looked upon. I see too much assumption of great faltering in regards to Christian religion and spirituality separately looking at the historical and the contemporary. We live after The Enlightenment and it has changed a lot of thought and practice. Both atheist and Christian, in Great Britain and Australia, and beyond. There has also been a souring and dissenting. Some people dissent from placing strong values on freedoms and human rights and democracy or constitutional republics as it may be. Apart from communists and slave drivers... I think Germany after their two wars in the twentieth century really soured from good natured philosophy. I may be wrong. In the west we remember the fallen soldiers with respect. But I wonder why the great grand children do not value what was won. Education and media, TV, maybe Game of Thrones and such things are not helping. Especially the old pornographic magazines and the more recent internet porn, and drugs and alcohol, and maybe rock. In Australia the vote to accept gay marriage has threatened to shave off some of our rights and freedoms, but with proper democracy it could have been done without any loss of freedoms. But it seemed that to get it done in a hurry mattered more than doing it well. Proper or real democracy does not crush the will of even a small minority. Such things as JWs not being forced to receive a blood transfusion after an accident... Christians should not be considered dangerous, and regarded as "silly people who fight among themselves, thus leading to WW1 and 2"... We do not start all the wars. The twentieth century had wars and they were secular. Conflicts of interests and resources happen in and out of religion and spirituality. Political correctness is over rigid and behind the times. I think there should be something done for our students in regards to this matter, of myths and political correctness and discrimination, and placing values on rights and freedoms. More recently people vye for the right for housing and no bullying and the right for homosexuals to marry in state law. And it is good if the students honour our old soldiers and benevolence itself, love, light, honour, compassion and justice balanced with mercy.
Christians should not be considered dangerous
Interesting hypothesis.Destroyed by a single fact.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/08/2018 17:00:37Interesting hypothesis.Destroyed by a single fact.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_casesSo now all Christians are sexual abusers?
Christians should not be considered dangerous,
Quote from: Kryptid on 31/08/2018 18:46:27Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/08/2018 17:00:37Interesting hypothesis.Destroyed by a single fact.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_casesSo now all Christians are sexual abusers?Nobody said that, did they?The OP made the global assertion that Quote from: Europan Ocean on 31/08/2018 14:08:41Christians should not be considered dangerous,And I pointed out the obvious fallacy.It is perfectly reasonable to consider Christians to be dangerous- just as it would potentially be so with most other groupsSo, why did you make the comment you did?
My apologies. I thought you were implying that the crimes of a part of a group make the rest of the group guilty by association.
Peter John Ball CGA (born 14 February 1932) is a retired British bishop in the Church of England and convicted sex offender. In 1960 he and his twin brother (Michael Ball) established a monastic community, the Community of the Glorious Ascension, through which Ball came into contact with many boys and young men. He was the suffragan Bishop of Lewes from 1977 to 1992 and the diocesan Bishop of Gloucester from 1992 to 1993, when he resigned after being cautioned for sexual abuse; he continued to officiate at several churches after that.
Historical Christians were dangerous,
Yes, humans are dangerous, not because but despite them being Christian.
Anyone who thinks they are getting "permission" or "forgiveness" from a "higher authority" is very clearly dangerous.
Jesus and the apostles were not violent revolutionaries. So they cannot be a higher power, authority in a Oden like fashion.
Confession and repentance are selfindulgent, selfcongratulatory, and pointless. Victims need compensation and revenge. Perpetrators deserve nothing.Fortunately there is no god and no heaven. Anyone who thinks he may be forgiven in some afterlife is deluded. Anyone who forgives in this life is a fool. Anyone who promises absolution is a fraud.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 01/09/2018 15:09:29Jesus and the apostles were not violent revolutionaries. So they cannot be a higher power, authority in a Oden like fashion.You seem to have missed yet another point.You can call him Odin, or God or anything else. But that non-existent entity is the so called "higher power" that people use to justify their acts of malice.You can cite the "Holy book" to justify slavery, or the repression of people who aren't white skinned or women, gays or pretty much any other group.And people have done so- with the full backing of their church, until others who are not "the faithful" protest long enough and loud enough to stop ti bigotry of those who claim to be God's representative.
towards Christ not Odin,
People have rights, like the right to live, the right to a fair trial, the freedom to choose work, free speech, right to live in a house, not to be bullied...
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 02/09/2018 13:19:02 towards Christ not Odin, Can you explain why it matters which myth you choose?Witch burning was abolished in spite of the church, not because of it.Slavery was abolished in spite of the church , not because of it.We are working towards equality for gays too.And that's in spite of the church, not because of it.Essentially all the improvements in society have been opposed by the church.Quote from: Europan Ocean on 02/09/2018 13:19:02People have rights, like the right to live, the right to a fair trial, the freedom to choose work, free speech, right to live in a house, not to be bullied... All those right shave been suppressed by, or with the active help of, the church.