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The crystal oscillates at different frequencies depending upon the gravitational field.
Quotewhat I am saying has to be true because of quantum physics...I think you will find that quantum physics actually derives from the fact that what you are saying is not true. But life is too short to go through all this again.
what I am saying has to be true because of quantum physics...
Always delighted to join in an intellectual pursuit of something worthwhile, but not if it starts from several obviously incorrect premises.Red/blue shift is a continuum phenomenon. It has nothing in common with quantum mechanics. Nor the mass of the source.The fact that gravitation does not appear to be mediated by a quantised carrier is interesting, but has nothing to do with units of measurement. What is more interesting is the unipolar nature of gravitation, and the experimental determination of the speed of gravity.
To deem something as unworthy one first has to understand it.
the shift of frequency in light is a quantum process.
in that the frequency of a cesium atom's frequency of energy transition at ground level, earth, exactly matches 1 full rotation of the planet divided into the units of the second that we measure the 'passage' of time by.
And that emitted lights frequency is always reduced in elevation from earth, no matter its direction of travel into or away from a gravity field.
decreased energy changes of blue shifted
Quote To deem something as unworthy one first has to understand it. It certainly helps.Quotethe shift of frequency in light is a quantum process. it is not.Quotein that the frequency of a cesium atom's frequency of energy transition at ground level, earth, exactly matches 1 full rotation of the planet divided into the units of the second that we measure the 'passage' of time by. It doesn't. Never a good idea to base physics on an untruth.QuoteAnd that emitted lights frequency is always reduced in elevation from earth, no matter its direction of travel into or away from a gravity field. Insofar as this sentence means anything, it is untrue.Quotedecreased energy changes of blue shifted oxymoronMost of the rest is beneath contempt. Merely arranging scientific terms into a sentenmce does not constitute science, logic, or even a fun way to spend time. I suggest you start with experimental facts and work from there.
There is no cure for wilful ignorance and arrogant disregard of facts. You clearly have a glittering career ahead of you in the Health and Safety Executive, Care Quality Commission, or European Union, but not physics. I give up.In case anyone else is reading this, h is just a number: it doesn't magically confer quantum properties on a continuum.
If you repeatedly tell me that gravitation has a different effect on photons from clocks, in spite of the experimental evidence; or introduce pseudoscientific drivel like "the velocity of Doppler shift of gravitationally shifted light" then I really can't help you, because I only understand physics. However sound your logic, if it is based on untruth and mystic concepts, it won't lead you anywhere useful.
Perhaps your confusion arises in that the light source emitter emits a photon of a higher frequency at 1 metre elevation than it does on the ground. I'm not disputing this fact.
Can we recognise and move past this fact of 'accepted' physics now please?
Quote from: timey on 16/07/2016 00:42:43Perhaps your confusion arises in that the light source emitter emits a photon of a higher frequency at 1 metre elevation than it does on the ground. I'm not disputing this fact. You should, because it isn't true.Consider the P-R experiment. Put the source at the top of the tower, and fix 22 receptors at 1 m intervals up the tower. They will measure 22 different values of blue shift. Is the source emitting 22 different frequencies? I think not, because it doesn't "know" where the detectors are. The logical explanation is that the difference between emitted and observed frequency depends on the gravitational potential difference between source and observer. QuoteCan we recognise and move past this fact of 'accepted' physics now please? It's important to accept the facts, whatever you think of the explanation.
.but then please explain to me why anything with rest mass in elevation to earth experiences an increase in frequency, (ie: equivalence principle), when 'already emitted light' is always of lesser frequency in the weaker gravity field?
If you have one clock in orbit (or indeed on the ground) and a dozen receivers at different heights, they all see the clock as running at different speeds. Is it really? How does it know what speed to run at if it doesn't know where the receivers are? The hyperfine transition of the cesium atom is unaffected by gravitation: it's a spin-spin interaction. But who cares about physics, eh? Quote.but then please explain to me why anything with rest mass in elevation to earth experiences an increase in frequency, (ie: equivalence principle), when 'already emitted light' is always of lesser frequency in the weaker gravity field? if this sentence means anything, it is experimentally untrue. I see little point in your continually repeating obvious nonsense, or my responding to it.
Forget clocks, forget mossbauer photons. Simply imagine one source which emits a signal with a constant frequency. Now place receivers at various gravitational potentials with respect to the source. They all receive signals of different frequencies. So the frequency shift is nothing to do with the mechanism of the source.
Also say you had a source at elevation and a detector that was moving from the ground towards the source. If the detector stopped at set intervals and measured the frequency it would be found to be converging with the source frequency. It isn't the source frequency changing.
Quote from: jeffreyH on 18/07/2016 08:32:07Also say you had a source at elevation and a detector that was moving from the ground towards the source. If the detector stopped at set intervals and measured the frequency it would be found to be converging with the source frequency. It isn't the source frequency changing.Yes - it is interesting that the frequency would be found to be converging with the source frequency...
"Emitted signal is always lower in frequency in the weaker gravity field.Anything with rest mass is always higher in frequency in the weaker gravity field."You are telling me that this is nonsense...
But if you put the signal emitter into elevation and the receivers in the lower gravity potential, the signal emitter is gravitationally shifted to a higher frequency.