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Quote from: CliveG on 22/02/2020 05:23:17 You simply say "Gee. God does not want scientific absolute proof of his existence, but is he is prepared to tell people how the spirit world works, God is part of the "spirit world". If the "spirit world" worked then it would prove His existence.So, you have contradicted yourself there.I suggest you stop trying.
You simply say "Gee. God does not want scientific absolute proof of his existence, but is he is prepared to tell people how the spirit world works,
Do you not see that your best explanation for some of the events I have experienced is that you do not believe me in the slightest?
if God did not exist, then there are a few logical problems. Humankind's propensity for mystic events, and a need to explain the emergence of intelligence as well as the emergence of the laws of physics that are truly remarkable in their beauty and simplicity.
God controls the spirit world. He does not want absolute proof of its existence. So everything is decided by an intelligence as to whether it will be allowed or not. Proof = not allowed. Hints = we can allow those. I think the contradiction is in your reasoning and not what I have been stating over and over again
The problem I have is trying to get the basics of Judaism straight.
Quote from: CliveG on 22/02/2020 15:53:32Do you not see that your best explanation for some of the events I have experienced is that you do not believe me in the slightest? NoIt's not that I don't believe you, it's that I believe you are mistaken.So, what you write off as a weak explanation is just a straw man you made up.Stop doing that. It makes you look silly.Quote from: CliveG on 22/02/2020 15:53:32if God did not exist, then there are a few logical problems. Humankind's propensity for mystic events, and a need to explain the emergence of intelligence as well as the emergence of the laws of physics that are truly remarkable in their beauty and simplicity. OK, lets have another look at those.Taking the third point lastIt's much easier to get a few simple laws to arise spontaneously than to have anything as complicated as a God.The emergence of intelligence is entirely consistent with evolution.We even have an indication of what the intermediate steps are like. Man is brighter than the other apes.They are generally brighter than, for example, dogs and they, in turn, are brighter than worms. The worms are cleverer than plants, and so on.So there's no mystery there- just you refusing to understand.And it's true that people experience mystical things.We can reproduce that in the labhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmetAnd our research shows that it is more common in people with a known brain malfunction.https://study.com/academy/lesson/temporal-lobe-epilepsy-religious-experiences.htmlSo, the actual evidence suggests that "mysticism" is just another of those interesting features we have found in the brain like confirmation bias and the placebo effect.So, there are no actual problems there; once again, it's just you not accepting the evidence.Quote from: CliveG on 22/02/2020 15:53:32God controls the spirit world. He does not want absolute proof of its existence. So everything is decided by an intelligence as to whether it will be allowed or not. Proof = not allowed. Hints = we can allow those. I think the contradiction is in your reasoning and not what I have been stating over and over againAnd enough hints would (at any given level of significance) be interpreted as proof. So, if there was really proof of spirits it would be proof of God which you say is forbidden.What you state " over and over again" misses this.If you are right about proving that there are spirits then you have proved there's a God.But you can't.And, of course, you haven't.
Quote from: CliveG on 22/02/2020 15:32:37The problem I have is trying to get the basics of Judaism straight. It's none of your business, unless you were born into it. We don't evangelise or accept converts easily, so why bother?The strength of the family is a "pick and mix" tradition. Two Jews = three opinions, but still two Jews. Belief is stultifying - argument is stimulating.
Mistaken? I get a shock, not a "feeling" that the biker going past me in an ordinary way on an ordinary day will die just ahead. I slow down so as to not ride over him. He dies, and not because of an accident. How on earth can I be mistaken?
The exhibitionist who got upset with me. How on earth (or in hell) did that happen?
I fully accept confirmation bias and placebo effects in people. But because I am aware of them, I know when to discount them.
Jesus foretold his own death
What is the difference between random radio signals from space and communication by alien life? Seems you would not know the answer so I will tell you. It is the "intelligence" contained in the information.
Quote from: CliveG on 24/02/2020 05:25:29Mistaken? I get a shock, not a "feeling" that the biker going past me in an ordinary way on an ordinary day will die just ahead. I slow down so as to not ride over him. He dies, and not because of an accident. How on earth can I be mistaken?You are mistaken in thinking that it is anything but coincidence.Quote from: CliveG on 24/02/2020 05:25:29The exhibitionist who got upset with me. How on earth (or in hell) did that happen?I already answered that.Have you forgotten?and so on.Quote from: CliveG on 24/02/2020 05:25:29I fully accept confirmation bias and placebo effects in people. But because I am aware of them, I know when to discount them. You plainly do not.Quote from: CliveG on 24/02/2020 05:25:29Jesus foretold his own deathIt's a miracle!A man who protested against the Romans and their rules foretold his own death (alongside presumably all the others who protested).And yet you think that's some sort of proof of divinity when it's just a statement of the obvious.
Quote from: CliveG on 24/02/2020 05:25:29 What is the difference between random radio signals from space and communication by alien life? Seems you would not know the answer so I will tell you. It is the "intelligence" contained in the information.How can you possibly think I don't know that?On the other hand, without the mechanism to decode it, it may (like spread signal communication) be indistinguishable from noise.That's the point.
I was blessed with a fully functional high performing brain, although it took a while to learn to be able to use it properly.
Added to that was a need for secrecy
[But there is a price to pay - paranoia.
Quote from: CliveG on 24/02/2020 15:39:13I was blessed with a fully functional high performing brain, although it took a while to learn to be able to use it properly.Or you are deluded.And your problem is that, from everyone else's point of view, it looks like the latter.
Here is a definition.https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder#1
They are also rational in that they offer personal proof of a Prime Cause.
Quote from: CliveG on 25/02/2020 09:08:46 Here is a definition.https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder#1Yes, but it's not a definition of the right word.This isdeluded/dɪˈluːdɪd/adjectivebelieving something that is not true."the poor deluded creature"And yet, you thought it was.So you believed something that isn't true.You poor deluded creature.
Quote from: CliveG on Yesterday at 09:08:46 They are also rational in that they offer personal proof of a Prime Cause.That's not even true in the context of your beliefs.How can you be sure that it's the same "God"?The one that made the Universe might have died a million years ago and we are now under the supervision of His dimwitted Son.