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The electron is positive right and the Proton is really negative and history got this backwards and it was never changed just to confuse everyone right??
+ve and -ve charged areas , a +ve area, what gives a +ve area such has a sprite the ability to not tear itself apart by a charged ions repelling each other?Is it the enclosure of the negative ions being attracted to the +ve group?
Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 12:47:12The electron is positive right and the Proton is really negative and history got this backwards and it was never changed just to confuse everyone right??No, an electron is defined as negative. Are you are thinking of the convention for current flow in electrical circuits which is opposite to electron flow - it is still correct however, because it is only a convention. Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 12:37:00+ve and -ve charged areas , a +ve area, what gives a +ve area such has a sprite the ability to not tear itself apart by a charged ions repelling each other?Is it the enclosure of the negative ions being attracted to the +ve group?In an area of charged ions, let's say +ve, they will try to push themselves apart. That is why I suggested you consider charge to be on the surface of an area.If you enclose a -ve area within the +ve area the 2 will attract each other keeping the +ve in, but the 2 will also begin to discharge.This might be a reason for the ball discharge seen,but I can think of other mechanisms such as differences in air temperature causing local pockets of inversion which might hold the charge together, or moisture. I don't know what the current theories are, so they might be open to speculation and you might post your theories in New Theories.Just a suggestion. Don't mention gravity.Also take care with words like centripetal and interference, they have very specific technical meanings and you risk being misunderstood if you misuse them in a science forum, but then that might be your objective!
Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 12:47:12The electron is positive right and the Proton is really negative and history got this backwards and it was never changed just to confuse everyone right??You're confusing the arbitrary signs we give particles with the balance between opposite charges. Consider the following thought experiment. We have two cylinders connected by a small tube or pipe with a valve in between. In one cylinder, we have air compressed to 5 atmospheres and in the other, we have just one atmosphere. What happens when we open the valve? The pressure will flow from the pressurized cylinder to the less pressurized one. It's similar with the situation we have regarding the electrical potential between the earth and clouds. Consider the thought experiment we just talked about. We don't need to give a positive or negative sign to the air in the cylinders, all we need to know is which cylinder has the greater pressure. The signs we give to elementary particles is an arbitrary value and only represents the opposite spin they possess. So even though the cloud may have a surplus of electrons relative to the ground, this fact does not make the electron a positive particle. It's called a negative particle simply because it's opposite that of the proton.
Pressure of air on the earth is thermodynamics and ion flux?I am never complacent the information as to be in full and not part information.
Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 13:49:35Pressure of air on the earth is thermodynamics and ion flux?I am never complacent the information as to be in full and not part information.My example was an attempt to explain the similarity between these two scenarios, and was not to suggest they are the same. You're not listening very well to the information we're trying to convey. The electron has been given a negative sign because it's opposite that of the proton. It really makes no difference which sign we give either particle, only that they are opposite. Just because there may be a surplus of electrons in the cloud does not make the electron positive.
But the electron regardless of a negative sign is a positive energy right?
Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 14:05:28But the electron regardless of a negative sign is a positive energy right?No..........The electron has the attribute of energy and is not considered energy per say. The same can be said for the proton, it has energy but can't be called energy. Both the electron and proton contain energy, the basic difference between them is the direction of their spin "charge" and their mass.
Ok thank you, I think I get how science see's it to be now rather different to how I see it.
Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 14:21:33Ok thank you, I think I get how science see's it to be now rather different to how I see it.Scientific experiment has evidence for these facts and just because you don't see it does not make your interpretation right. I'll offer you one last comment and then I'm out of this conversation.The 'electron and the proton' contain "positive energy". It's called electromagnetic energy. The only negative energy I know of is gravitational energy. Please try to spend some time studying about this before you make statements that can't be verified. I've tried to explain these facts, but now it's up to you to search out whether you or I am correct. I base my understanding upon the research and evidence which greater minds than you or I have obtained throughout history.Good luck with your research...........................
I am considering 2 surfaces! but not a solid surface like you are considering .....
Your main evidence is electron micro scope ........
By interference and manually exciting the atoms, what says the excitement is not proton released?
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Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 13:41:20I am considering 2 surfaces! but not a solid surface like you are considering .....No, I'm not considering solid surfaces.We were discussing lightning. If you have a cloud, or a volume of air, carrying a charge, the outer edge of that volume is the surface I was talking about. It could also be an invisible volume of air.I'll make one other comment although it's not part of my replyQuote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 14:41:30 Your main evidence is electron micro scope ........That statement is incorrect.Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 14:41:30By interference and manually exciting the atoms, what says the excitement is not proton released?MassDo some more reading as advised. That last answer should have been obvious if you had.I'm out of this thread until you do.
My questions have not been answered, people avoid them.
what allows the neutron to be attracted and part of an atom?
what part does the neutron have in lightning?
Does the neutron absorb energy?
Is positive energy anti-matter?
added ? - Deuterium is negative?
Apart from maths, is there anything I can really read that I can not think for myself about and question it?
Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 21:07:28My questions have not been answered, people avoid them.No, you avoid listening!Quote from: Theboxwhat allows the neutron to be attracted and part of an atom?The strong nuclear force.Quote from: Theboxwhat part does the neutron have in lightning?It's just a part of the molecule that becomes ionized providing a path for the current to flow.Quote from: TheboxDoes the neutron absorb energy? I haven't looked into this very deeply but I'd say yes because all matter particles can acquire varying degrees of energy. But absorb is not the correct word to use here. Acquire might be more appropriate.Quote from: TheboxIs positive energy anti-matter?Matter nor antimatter can be classed as energy. Energy is a separate and distinct attribute that matter has and can acquire.Quote from: Theboxadded ? - Deuterium is negative?Deuterium is the hydrogen atom with an added neutron within it's nucleus. Deuterium is a neutral atom because all the charges cancel out leaving zero charge.All of this information is readily available at Wikipedia and I recommend that you explore the possibilities and opportunities registered there.
Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 21:07:28Apart from maths, is there anything I can really read that I can not think for myself about and question it?That is a very arrogant viewpoint, it's basically saying there is nothing you can learn!Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2015 21:07:28My questions have not been answered, people avoid them.Rubbish, arrogance, stupidity.I'm irritated, very
when a positive lighting cloud meets a negative lighting cloud, if 1 is hot enough, the other 1 will jumps over with energy burst following a long tail of lighting. the tails of the lighting spread out like a tree branch.
How can what goes up be the opposite of what comes down, they are both a plasma and both emit light suggesting both are a positive in energy.How can a negative possibly emit light?