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...because God would never make himself obvious.
Although now that I think about it again, perhaps it's a form of quality control where, having designed us to use reason, we're being checked to make sure it was installed and works properly. wink
I find it hard to accept that most of you are 'thinking' about it. To me it's more like you have reached the conclusion. I call it worship because you refuse to think outside the box of what you believe. God is rather obvious when you do. Also I'm not saying worship is sticking to a conclusion because that's the dangerous kind of worship. Sometimes we need to adjust. We adjust if all the dots connect and if there are fewer questions left to be answered.The foresight exhibited in nature and it's beginning tell of a very intelligent being, which chaos does not.
Maybe the great almighty are computers put together by some past other-planetary-system beings who are trying to discover whether they might have been created by organic pollutants and are husbanding us to test whether that might be so There must be some great debates going on amongst them. If we only had access to their message boards !
This is exactly why I don't believe in God/Gods. Why should God/Gods not be obvious? What is the benefit in this?
What makes Gold fish so beautiful if they were not created for our joy? Why are terriers so funny to look at?
Guys the bible said would be getting worse and worse before he is finally revealed. You can see for yourselves how bad things are getting. Subtly but truly.
What makes Gold fish so beautiful if they were not created for our joy?
This is one of the most arrogant statements I think that I've seen for a long time. What - it's all about YOU is it, and everything has been "made" so it's nice for YOU to look at? It doesn't get much more egocentric than that, surely?
Worse than the middle ages? Really?
QuoteWorse than the middle ages? Really?Yes really. I don't think they had nuclear weapons, suicide bombers. And the people today are getting worse. Try not to compare to the middle ages but to what was there just 10 years ago. I don't know where you guys live but I know people are colder in your neighborhood too.
QuoteThis is one of the most arrogant statements I think that I've seen for a long time. What - it's all about YOU is it, and everything has been "made" so it's nice for YOU to look at? It doesn't get much more egocentric than that, surely?Sorry if I sounded offensive but I really think they are pleasant to look at. And no evolution explains that.
There is no 'obvious' reason why it should be put down to some Zookeeper making our cages pleasant.
QuoteThis is exactly why I don't believe in God/Gods. Why should God/Gods not be obvious? What is the benefit in this?For the same reason we want people to like us for what we are and not just for what we can give them.
Things are far better now for most people than they have been at almost any time since the bible was written - just because we hark back to the 'good old days' doesn't mean that things are genuinely worse now. I for one am decidedly glad I live here and now rather than in the middle ages.
...in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power...2Tim 3
...For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress...
..[people in] anguish, not knowing the way out... while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers... will be shaken.
Anthropomorphism may be forgiven when dealing with the 'lower' animals or even with inanimate systems but many 'believers' have the nerve to do it with their God too. That always strikes me as the height of presumption.
And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created himGenesis 1
QuoteThings are far better now for most people than they have been at almost any time since the bible was written - just because we hark back to the 'good old days' doesn't mean that things are genuinely worse now. I for one am decidedly glad I live here and now rather than in the middle ages.By worse I was referring to :Quote...in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power...2Tim 3You must admit that everywhere you look people are like that unless you are so young you haven't noticed people change. Technology may have made life a bit better but not things are going down-hill.
Quote...For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress...Even the frequency of natural phenomena is increasing.
Quote..[people in] anguish, not knowing the way out... while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers... will be shaken.I remember Iraq when reading this, kids afraid even to go to the market because of suicide bombers or people left stranded due the financial crisis.Things maybe o.k for some but we shouldn't be disregarding those in problems.
You're just making stuff up. Where is the evidence that these disasters are becoming significantly more frequent? The only reason you're saying this is because you live now and notice it.
People have always been that way. Don't be silly.