[~CB]

quantum lake

I still didn't get your reference... Did you mean this "http://olenliving.com/communities/florida/quantum-lake-villas"? (Yes, this is supposed to be funny)

[alancalverd]

I see photons whenever I open my eyes. I have machines that count individual photons. What's the problem there?

And when I'm dead, I'll be dead. No problem there either - in fact the ultimate solution to all my personal problems..

[jccc]

you are an open minded scientist, Alan.

anything in logic is possible. so if we meet after in person, can we discuss photon again? i was a boxer.

if you can count photon 1 by 1, what's the method? are you SURE the thing that lights your eyes is photon not gravitational wave? 

[jccc]

if the method is counting the electrons knocked out by light, you are counting electron not photon.

can gravitational wave knockout electrons also?

[Colin2B]

... are you SURE the thing that lights your eyes is photon not gravitational wave?

Well, it doesn't pull his eyes out!!

[alancalverd]

Do you count sheep, or just the photons reflected from the sheep? Oh dear, I'm turning into a philosopher, so let's return to experimental physics:

If I put a planet (say the moon) between myself and the sun, the number of photons reaching me decreases, but the gravitational vector increases. So photons are not gravitons.

[jccc]

... are you SURE the thing that lights your eyes is photon not gravitational wave?

Well, it doesn't pull his eyes out!!

because he is peek the sun not staring?

[alancalverd]

anything in logic is possible.

Only if you allow an infinite number of absurd propositions. Which is why science isn't like philosophy: we have to start with an observation.

[jccc]

anything in logic is possible.

Only if you allow an infinite number of absurd propositions. Which is why science isn't like philosophy: we have to start with an observation.

Alan,

science observed atoms produce spectrum/em radiation, not electron change energy level/orbital and release photons. those are imaginary/model/theory.

science observed expending universe, theorized big bang that is so mainstream and correct, did i just challenged it without seen any/your debunk? 

are we discussing about science? or textbook/wiki knowledge? some times i feel like visiting a thrift store.

[jccc]

Do you count sheep, or just the photons reflected from the sheep? Oh dear, I'm turning into a philosopher, so let's return to experimental physics:

If I put a planet (say the moon) between myself and the sun, the number of photons reaching me decreases, but the gravitational vector increases. So photons are not gravitons.

Alan,

you are mixing gravity and gravity wave into 1.

gravity is the attraction force between sun and moon, light is the gravitational wave produced by hot atoms on the sun.

i never said photons are gravitons. i always said photon and graviton are imaginary.

you put words in my words again, why? is it fun? or challenge my memories?

[alancalverd]

As long as you insist that light is a gravitational wave, you will remain in a state of wilful ignorance. Not that anyone cares about you, but there's always a risk that you might infect others, which would be sad.

[jccc]

Alan,

i believe/suggest light is gravitational wave produced by exited atoms. based on the fact that atoms each has mass, has gravitational field. when atoms vibrating, emitting gravitational wave.

you believe light is em wave/particle, produced by electrons change orbital and release photons. the logic is foggy, the mechanism is unknown.

you believe there is no God, I believe God is everywhere.

opinion various, all is good.

every mind is unique and precious.



 



 

[PmbPhy]

Alan,

i believe/suggest light is gravitational wave produced by exited atoms. based on the fact that atoms each has mass, has gravitational field. when atoms vibrating, emitting gravitational wave.

you believe light is em wave/particle, produced by electrons change orbital and release photons. the logic is foggy, the mechanism is unknown.

you believe there is no God, I believe God is everywhere.

opinion various, all is good.

every mind is unique and precious.



 

Every observation ever made on electrodynamics and gravity contradict your claims.

[~CB]

Well, guess what? In simple terms... He doesn't gives a ****. Seriously, the only thing you are going to get in reply is 'opinion various'. I don't know how he takes experiments to be opinions but whatever the case. I don't believe you are any close to convince him about... I don't know... ANYTHING.

With all due respect Peter. You should really find a better hobby... you deserve a better hobby!

[Colin2B]

Well, guess what? In simple terms... He doesn't gives a ****. Seriously, the only thing you are going to get in reply is 'opinion various'. I don't know how he takes experiments to be opinions but whatever the case. I don't believe you are any close to convince him about... I don't know... ANYTHING.

With all due respect Peter. You should really find a better hobby... you deserve a better hobby!

Jasper
I agree with you about jccc, no one is going to convince him. I sympathise in a way, the simple model of the atom as a solar system I was given as a kid is very appealing, but wrong. I'm a very visual person and I would like to have a visual model. The problem is, if you don't do the maths, you don't understand what is probably happening. My test is does it predict, is it consistent. It's easy for jccc and box to dismiss things they don't understand.

Re Pete. It's not a hobby, education is work for him and he is passionate about it and would like people to see the truth. I'm passionate about some different parts of science so if the Box insists on playing games, I'm happy to say 'whatever' and walk away.

PS. Hope you don't mind me saying, but I notice elsewhere that you have given up studies to develop a site. Excellent to follow a vision and I hope you make it. I would just say, try to keep up some studies if you can. I don't say this lightly, I left school with no qualifications, it took me 7 yrs of evening classes while working full time, to qualify for university, so I know how hard it can be. It is just a lot easier when you are younger to get the opportunities, later family and other interests etc. Educational forums like these can help.

[alancalverd]

Alan,

i believe/suggest light is gravitational wave produced by exited atoms. based on the fact that atoms each has mass, has gravitational field. when atoms vibrating, emitting gravitational wave.

No atoms in a synchrotron, but plenty of light comes out.

you believe light is em wave/particle, produced by electrons change orbital and release photons. the logic is foggy, the mechanism is unknown.

only to those who do not want to know.

[jccc]

Alan,

i believe/suggest light is gravitational wave produced by exited atoms. based on the fact that atoms each has mass, has gravitational field. when atoms vibrating, emitting gravitational wave.

No atoms in a synchrotron, but plenty of light comes out.

you believe light is em wave/particle, produced by electrons change orbital and release photons. the logic is foggy, the mechanism is unknown.

only to those who do not want to know.

Alan,

i want to know, please tell me the secret of the logic and mechanism.

The electromagnetic radiation emitted when charged particles are accelerated radially (\mathbf{a}\perp \mathbf{v}) is called synchrotron radiation.

[alancalverd]

That's the secret! Accelerating a charged particle, or changing its quantum state, generates electromagnetic radiation. Light is electromagnetic radiation.

Get the Tao, man. Stuff happens the way it does, whether you like it that way or not. Ours is not to understand but to observe and predict. 

[jccc]

That's the secret! Accelerating a charged particle, or changing its quantum state, generates electromagnetic radiation. Light is electromagnetic radiation.

Get the Tao, man. Stuff happens the way it does, whether you like it that way or not. Ours is not to understand but to observe and predict.

Alan,

thank you very much.

[PmbPhy]

Get the Tao, man. Stuff happens the way it does, whether you like it that way or not. Ours is not to understand but to observe and predict.

Nice!  []