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The Environment / actually committing to changing your behaviour?
« on: 05/11/2007 12:57:18 »
ah nice. thanks for those
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found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-Ball on wiki, still non the wiser though [8]
I hope people don't mind, but I have split off some of the general environmental comments to a separate topic:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6823.0
Nothing wrong with the comments, but they could get lost in the middle of the topic here.
your words are great paul - i hope you don;t think i was implying otherwise
out of interest - what do you believe? and what is it that gives you conviction, if anything?
Not in the slightest, although i do tend to reply too quickly and my point gets lost in the poor construction. My beliefs! well the short answer is that we all need to do something, there are those who either don't because it's too much trouble to go to and those that can't be bothered, these are the majority. There are those that do what they can and then there are the zealots.
As for the present and future governments of the UK, i think they just see the enviromental issue as a way of raising revenue. Do you believe the proposed green tax on air flights will be used for green energy or funding science? or used to shore up the holes in the govenments spending plans?
Indeed - i se what you;re getting at..
Although perhaps i disagree about people's motives for being inactive. I think it's in people's nature not to do anything until they are faced with an undeniable reality...The threat of terrorism / 911 is probably a good example of this.
I think the confusion of information about the environment, combined with a lack of serious physical symptoms *on people's doorsteps* makes folk pretty ambivalent about the whole thing.
I think people are waiting for the wake up call they normally expect when 'things get serious'. they trust in science and politics to provide this, and currently both are failing to deliver imo
that is interesting - thanks..
However I'm sure if i spend 10 minutes looking, i will find lots of writing decrying all that stuff...
It's most frustrating. I;m sure that's why so many people don;t care about this stuff...we just don;t know what to believe anymore
I suppose it's a matter of belief and like you say people being "bothered", maybe start a new topic and see what others have to say.
You really need someone who is more eloquent with their words than i am to answer you questions.
The only relationship of most of the "science" in this film to real physics is the use of a few reasonably well known scientific terms like quarks, supersymmetric particles and dark matter. The rest is absolute rubbish and has not the remotest chance of being relavant to the way the universe works.
You may find this interesting:
The Coalition's "25x'25" alliance has adopted a vision that, "by 2025, America's farms, forests, and ranches will provide 25 percent of the total energy consumed in the United States, while continuing to produce safe, abundant, and a?ordable food, feed and ?ber."
The Coalition says the 25x'25 vision is one of many recent calls for the United States to expand its reliance on renewable energy.
In his 2006 State of the Union address, President George W. Bush stated goals for increasing the use of biomass fuels in transportation and curbing oil imports. Without waiting for federal action, 20 states and the District of Columbia, meanwhile, have set targets for increasing the use of renewable electricity technologies with renewable energy portfolios that require a percentage of a state's power to be generated by renewables.
Significant reductions in carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel combustion also can be achieved by meeting the 25x'25 goal, the study found – amounting to one billion tons of carbon dioxide in 2025, or 15 percent of projected U.S. emissions.
For more info, check out http://www.25x25.org/index.php
There are not too many scients that disagree with the facts for climate change. Contary to popular, Non-US based, opinions one of the leaders in technology and laws to combat climate change is The US!
Even presiden Bush, is now coming "in from the cold". One thing i do have a personal problem with is the push towards bio-fuels, for many reasons.
One being that great amounts of food based crops will be used, when countries can hardly afford to grow the food for the populous to eat.
Which counter are you in, why me why now?
why me why now No I am not a DJ
follow the link to my web pages if you want to know a bit more about my background
Do we put this down to the level of education people recieve or their willingness to take on face value what they are watching?
that's a very good question....i was talking to a friend the other day about climate change etc..
He is militantly opposed to th popular opinion that there is a problem with the environment etc...He thinks it's just another way for the government to control us <rolls eyes> (yeah - he's one of those friends>
However - the point is that for basically scientifically uneducated people like us, there's actually no way of knowing what's true (or as close to true as possible) and what's not.
We hear people arguing compellingly in both directions and both side can sound very convincing..
what's a cretin like me to do?
The only relationship of most of the "science" in this film to real physics is the use of a few reasonably well known scientific terms like quarks, supersymmetric particles and dark matter. The rest is absolute rubbish and has not the remotest chance of being relavant to the way the universe works.
The lives of stars (including the boring ones that just keep on shining) are extremely intensively and thoroughly observed and if any star suddenly failed rapidly it would be as interesting event as a supernova and the subject of intense observation. I can assure you that no such event has taken place.
This does not prevent the film from being interesting and exciting as a work of fantasy but the real danger lies with people who are not discerning enough to leave the fantasy in the cinema and start to think that it has some relationship to reality. Over enthusiasm with "Harry Potter" and other similar stories of magic can cause the same problems.