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Just Chat! / Negative freedom how does it work?
« on: 11/08/2010 13:04:30 »
Isiah Belin: Positive and negative freedom.
A negative freedom is a freedom under constraints. and a positive freedom is a freedom without constraints.
We live in a negative freedom society, we are free with certain constraints placed upon us, Why because positive freedoms cause revolutions, and so to prevent revolution constraints are placed upon us- and so we live in a negative freedom society.
Ideas is what Belin believes causes ultimately revolution, as such our ideas must be constrained- for if they are not a revolution could happen.
Right, now here is Joe having ideas that should be constrained.
Step one, take his mind off it (circus). Doesn't work he carries on thinking
Step two, keep him busy(active circus) employment as an agent for the pig forexample-Doesnt work
Step three, tell him its a silly idea- doesn't work
Please note the old way was to kill them- for being revolutionaries- even though they dont know that.
So now all different ways of trying to stop them do not work.
Now they start drugging them- in negative freedom terms they are crazy and going against the security of the system, are they crazy? no they are just freely thinking and nothing else.
Here we come to presumptive consent.
They drug you, and the person starts to act funny, then they go to your guardian and say: "You son, husband, wife etc is acting rather funny, would you give us permission to help them? The guardian says yes you are right they are acting funny, OK" after of course a discussion of what that entails(how honest are those that ask for presumptive consent? do not forget that the guardian is also under the constraint of negative freedom and so blind).
They then drug the crap out of you, and you loose it completely and get bundled off to a mentel home- the people that got presumptive consent tell your guardian "Well we tried our best to help them but clearlywe didnt catch them soon enought to stop the inevitable"
Then placed on prescription drugs the person becomes a drulling zombie, a slow thinker, a simpleton, and that will be forever, for should they come off the drug and statrt thinking the same things again they will be put back on the meds, either way as soon as they come on to the list of "people that think too much"(revolutionaries- without knowing it) they will always be watched and monitored- for life till death- with no opportunity for escape from that- forever!
And why does this all happen? Simply to protect the position of those that rule- for the problem with revolution is that those that rule would stop ruling and someone else would- negative freedom keeps those in charge, in charge. It entire purpose, no change those who rule over a negative free society rule forever- for there is never a revolution and so heads never change, except from father to son of course.
See now why those that rule love Berlin, he keeps them on top forever.
You add ideological slavery(captiaism) to this, along with shodocracy- you pretty much have the place you live in, an ideological prison and slave state, that anyone who opposes it- is removed one way or the other.
SICK IS NOT THE WORD FOR THIS.
AS for presumptive consent. What if the person that gives presumptive consent is an agent for those that are carring out, either the study or the drugging etc? And I think you can see there, especially when all guardians in a negative free society are blind- none of them can effectively decided properly and therefore- none of them can really give consent- the whole thing is a total sham and a lie. Just like the system itself!
A negative freedom is a freedom under constraints. and a positive freedom is a freedom without constraints.
We live in a negative freedom society, we are free with certain constraints placed upon us, Why because positive freedoms cause revolutions, and so to prevent revolution constraints are placed upon us- and so we live in a negative freedom society.
Ideas is what Belin believes causes ultimately revolution, as such our ideas must be constrained- for if they are not a revolution could happen.
Right, now here is Joe having ideas that should be constrained.
Step one, take his mind off it (circus). Doesn't work he carries on thinking
Step two, keep him busy(active circus) employment as an agent for the pig forexample-Doesnt work
Step three, tell him its a silly idea- doesn't work
Please note the old way was to kill them- for being revolutionaries- even though they dont know that.
So now all different ways of trying to stop them do not work.
Now they start drugging them- in negative freedom terms they are crazy and going against the security of the system, are they crazy? no they are just freely thinking and nothing else.
Here we come to presumptive consent.
They drug you, and the person starts to act funny, then they go to your guardian and say: "You son, husband, wife etc is acting rather funny, would you give us permission to help them? The guardian says yes you are right they are acting funny, OK" after of course a discussion of what that entails(how honest are those that ask for presumptive consent? do not forget that the guardian is also under the constraint of negative freedom and so blind).
They then drug the crap out of you, and you loose it completely and get bundled off to a mentel home- the people that got presumptive consent tell your guardian "Well we tried our best to help them but clearlywe didnt catch them soon enought to stop the inevitable"
Then placed on prescription drugs the person becomes a drulling zombie, a slow thinker, a simpleton, and that will be forever, for should they come off the drug and statrt thinking the same things again they will be put back on the meds, either way as soon as they come on to the list of "people that think too much"(revolutionaries- without knowing it) they will always be watched and monitored- for life till death- with no opportunity for escape from that- forever!
And why does this all happen? Simply to protect the position of those that rule- for the problem with revolution is that those that rule would stop ruling and someone else would- negative freedom keeps those in charge, in charge. It entire purpose, no change those who rule over a negative free society rule forever- for there is never a revolution and so heads never change, except from father to son of course.
See now why those that rule love Berlin, he keeps them on top forever.
You add ideological slavery(captiaism) to this, along with shodocracy- you pretty much have the place you live in, an ideological prison and slave state, that anyone who opposes it- is removed one way or the other.
SICK IS NOT THE WORD FOR THIS.
AS for presumptive consent. What if the person that gives presumptive consent is an agent for those that are carring out, either the study or the drugging etc? And I think you can see there, especially when all guardians in a negative free society are blind- none of them can effectively decided properly and therefore- none of them can really give consent- the whole thing is a total sham and a lie. Just like the system itself!