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Cells, Microbes & Viruses / Should children be vaccinated?

« on: 13/10/2010 07:32:16 »

Obviously you are no expert but what exactly are you saying?

Even if you have had a rubella immunisation, or have had rubella infection, there is still a small chance that your body has not made enough antibodies against the rubella virus to protect you. The only way to check whether the immunisation has worked is to have a blood test. This checks for rubella antibodies.

http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Rubella-%28German-Measles%29.htm

I'm not the only person to survive rubella.

I was immunised for all childhood diseases but still i got them all.

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 13/10/2010 07:11:34 »

What did you expect people to think you meant apart from that you want to get willow bark, because it's natural and therefore should be, as you put it "prime"?

you mentioned willow bark not me, i never knew about it til you mentioned it.

yes, natural should be prime. after all isn't that where science gets the components for the synthesised, manufactured, man made version?

In regard to Saccharin, if you watched the video, there is a natural alternative to sugar that has no calories and has other benefits too but we are unable to use it as we do Saccharin due to corporate monopoly.

Please watch the video on the link till the end with an open mind.

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 13/10/2010 02:51:52 »

Saccharin?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080210183902.htm artificial sweetners cause weight gain

Authors Susan Swithers, PhD, and Terry Davidson, PhD, surmised that by breaking the connection between a sweet sensation and high-calorie food, the use of saccharin changes the body's ability to regulate intake.

"The data clearly indicate that consuming a food sweetened with no-calorie saccharin can lead to greater body-weight gain and adiposity than would consuming the same food sweetened with a higher-calorie sugar," the authors wrote.

Monsanto got their start in 1901 selling saccharin to a Coca-Cola addicted public. Questions arose about the safety of saccharin, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture tried to ban it. They failed in their effort against the Monsanto lobby machine.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/04/980422065353.htm
NTP said in one notice it is "especially interested in obtaining additional relevant scientific information in support of or against the petition to delist saccharin" because the three reviews split in their recommendations. Two scientific reviews favored removing saccharin from the Report but an October 30-31 advisory panel -- the NTP Board of Scientific Counselors Subcommittee for the Report on Carcinogens -- recommended by a narrow margin that the sweetener continue to be listed as an "anticipated" carcinogen.

Saccharin has been banned in Canada for decades after scientifically proving it causes bladder cancer. Now science says it causes cancer in rats but that is irrelevant to humans!

http://nutrihealth.in/2008/10/worst-food-additives/

just because it is on the market doesn't mean it is safe - just because it is a natural product doesn't mean it is safe.

for those who care, read this.. all of this. Please listen to the doctors on the video especially.
http://www.bonfirehealth.com/our-doctors/dr-paul/posts/the-diet-soda-death-trap

see also       www.dorway.com

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 13/10/2010 00:11:48 »

hey you are assuming again.
did I say?..

His apparent preference for willow bark rather than aspirin seems to be based on the idea that natural =good and artificial=bad.

No I didn't.

What I am saying is if there is a free and naturally available product that is proven to work, then we should be given the info for a choice to use it if we want. we should be told about about all forms of medications without discrimination.
If science feels the need to manufacture/create the component found in the natural form because it is proven to be effective so their pharmaceutical company can control and make a profit from a remedy found in our gardens, then we should be well informed about our choices and the positive effects and negative effects of all natural and synthetic remedies. to make their own informed choice.
 
Aspirin causes internal bleeding, can kill a dog or cat, among other problems, yet it is freely available in the grocery store without mention of this and other bad effects of the drug (larger packaging is required for this, i would imagine). Ibuprofen and some pain killers have now been taken off the grocery shelves, even though the bad effects have been known for decades.

Does science have a conscience? Is science more concerned with getting funding to operate at the hands of multi-corporate rather than finding cures or identifying known cures freely available?

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Cells, Microbes & Viruses / Should children be vaccinated?

« on: 12/10/2010 22:53:25 »

It is important to accept that some people are killed by vaccinations- in just the same way that some are killed by peanuts or bee stings.
But it is also important to say that the risks from vaccination are small compared to the risk if people do not get vaccinated.

Individuals should be permitted to make their own choices; but they should do so on the basis of the real facts not on the basis of misinformation spread by the media in a cynical effort to boost circulation at the cost of other people's health.

An'd I agree with Variola- It's very hard to see how you could have got over rubella without antibodies. If your immune system didn't control it, what did?

Yes I agree with you about vaccination, it should be decided whether to have vaccination with all the correct
information freely available. it should not be forced upon us but it should be a careful decision based on reliable and truthful information.

yes i have had all the childhood illnesses, even though I have been vaccinated against them all prior to having them including measles and rubella.

Because I had had rubella as a very young child and was last immunized against it in my teens I was very surprised to find that I do not have antibodies for this disease today (still). I'm not unique here, finding many people who have had immunization but have no antibodies for the disease still. a mystery but very true.
 I have only found one other person who is the same. Has had the disease pulled through but still has no antibodies.
I have found others who have been vaccinated against disease which was only a false sense of immunity, never been tested to confirm the vaccination was effective. only to find at a later stage the vaccination was useless to them.

What controlled it? You tell me, but I am here as proof. this is true.

...........is it possible to be born with antibodies then after vaccination it is counteracted, canceling antibodies?

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Cells, Microbes & Viruses / Should children be vaccinated?

« on: 12/10/2010 08:04:53 »

I've been vaccinated for rubella but have no antibodies, I also have had rubella and still i have no antibodies. so vaccination does not suit us all. In fact some have died after being vaccinated. An individual decision should be allowed depending on the type of vax and the purpose.

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 12/10/2010 07:28:06 »

and some may think it best to find the cancer causing agent and deal with it so we don't need drugs.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080128-devils-cancer.html
flame retardant found in Rare Tasmanian Devils.

here researchers find flame retardant in the Tassie Devils which they suspect is causing their rare cancer.
They assume the flame retardant is being digested when they eat mattresses that may have been dumped.! []
The researchers for some reason forget to mention the GM fire retardant mono culture crop of trees which cover a very large area where these cancers are occurring.

and then with the toxic cancer causing chemicals found in the devils, some assume it can't be those chemicals causing their cancer. []

Hamish McCallum, professor of wildlife research at the University of Tasmania, said it's unlikely the chemicals caused the devils' disease.

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The Environment / If humans went extinct, what would replace us, if anything?

« on: 12/10/2010 00:40:11 »

I read today that bacteria can walk upright, and that is just the begining........

Pardon, sorry? Bacteria can walk upright?

pardon me, "Bacteria can stand-up and 'walk'"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101007171424.htm

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 11/10/2010 23:24:21 »

"with all doubt being cast on reports, studies and research, without reports,studies or research to back up the doubt. what do you think?"
Like I said.
The best evidence seems to me to suggest that, since many people use fluoride containing toothpaste, the effect of adding it to the water is less significant than it used to be.

I'm still waiting for evidence that saccharin causes disease.

Re http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/article/cancer-of-the-chudleigh-valley
Something like one person in 4 gets cancer so the grouping reported is nothing exceptional.

If you read further reports about Tasmanian cancers you will find that there were (not sure of present figure) 3 people from 5 in the entire world with a very rare cancer in an area where there are very high incidence of all other cancers including the Tasmanian Devil's rare and contagious evolving cancer.
that to me is significant.

what i am saying is Saccharin is unnecessary and found to have caused diseases which are fatal. Why 'create' a manufactured synthesised product that is detrimental to our health just because someone or many may think that overweight.......

"people who down diet drinks are at a higher risk for obesity"

So what?
People who down diet drinks are quite often on diets.
People on diets tend to be overweight.
people who are overweight tend to suffer from metabolic syndrome.

and you may feel the way to manage these people's health problem is to at least let them feel they are doing good for their health by 'downing' a synthesised man made version of their worst enemy which has been proven to cause fatal diseases.

In regard to fluoride... you say it is less effective in our water, so why do it? especially if the proven negative effects are worse than the cure.? once the governments agree to introduce fluoride they think they can balance their debt caused by the introduction by closing the dental health care services.

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Plant Sciences, Zoology & Evolution / Re: Is epigenetics more powerful than genetics?

« on: 11/10/2010 12:58:03 »

Where we live, what we do, eat, think, etc shapes the way our genes behave.
Animals including humans populate the various parts of the world and our genes reflect our adaptation to these environments. We all have genes susceptible to disease, cancer, etc, but it depends on our lifestyle and external influences.

A few wallabies become separated from mainland, continue to reproduce, adapt to the climate, the different type of food etc and then we have a sub species.
Similarly with humans. Example, The Chinese folk have been around for a very long time. They have small communities living in close proximity to each other differing and distinguishable not only by language but also genetically.
The Tibetans adapted to living at high altitude and this is expressed in their genes. Adaptation to our environment causes changes in our genome which can be inherited.

Genetic mutation is disease. Disease is not a positive form of evolution in my mind but may assist evolution, if the disease is survived as most genetic changes happen under stress.

Tassie Devils genes change so they can reproduce at an earlier age due to their contagious cancer, etc.

That's what I think.

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The Environment / If humans went extinct, what would replace us, if anything?

« on: 11/10/2010 12:20:06 »

I read today that bacteria can walk upright, and that is just the begining........

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 11/10/2010 07:07:02 »

 we should have priority finding ways to eliminate cancer causing agents

http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/article/cancer-of-the-chudleigh-valley

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 11/10/2010 06:53:54 »

"people who down diet drinks are at a higher risk for obesity"

So what?
People who down diet drinks are quite often on diets.
People on diets tend to be overweight.
people who are overweight tend to suffer from metabolic syndrome.

I think you assume too much.

Anyway. I'm still waiting for the evidence that saccharin ever killed anyone.

the diseases it causes are life threatening.

Also, if you don't think fluoride is good for teeth then it doesn't make sense to say "Fluoride which is added to our drinking water and food so governments can close dental facilities."
If it didn't work they couldn't close the dentists down.
And you forgot to include this quote from the same page you cited.
"All of Canada's dental associations and its national health agency, Health Canada, officially endorse water fluoridation. In response to the Globe and Mail report, Health Canada immediately sought to cast doubt on the study, pointing out that it failed to assess individual fluoride intake and correlate that with cavity rates."
The best evidence seems to me to suggest that, since many people use fluoride containing toothpaste, the effect of adding it to the water is less significant than it used to be.

with all doubt being cast on reports, studies and research, without reports,studies or research to back up the doubt. what do you think?

Obviously, I can't bottle a trip to the forest.

give it time...

But if you buy aspirin cheaply rather than wasting time and effort getting willow bark and chewing on it (in order to get a less effective remedy with worse side effects) then you will have more time and money left to go on vacation.

I actually don't take aspirin but if there was an option/choice which there is not, I may prefer the natural garden variety and so may many others.

What did you think your point was?

choice, why do we have to have a processed version if we can grow it naturally ourselves.

It's not as if a bottle of cloves transports me to the Spice Islands or whatever.
It's an argument in favour of planting trees in parks (which I wholeheartedly support); it's not an argument in favour of eating them.

We find natural cures etc but still we feel the need to synthesise and manufacture/make the components for these cures.

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 10/10/2010 12:03:06 »

"such as the killer sacrin "
Has saccharin ever killed anyone?
If not, then you are talking utter bollocks.

The researchers note that the findings gibe with other emerging evidence—including a study published last month in the American Heart Association's journal, Circulation—that shows people who down diet drinks are at a higher risk for obesity  and metabolic syndrome (a medley of medical problems such as abdominal fat, high blood pressure and insulin resistance that puts people at risk for heart disease and diabetes).

please remember doctors are human and make mistakes.

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 10/10/2010 11:43:10 »

again...

In the new study, conducted on behalf of The Globe and Mail, researchers from Statistics Canada compared the tooth decay rates in the provinces of Ontario, which has Canada's highest fluoridation rate, and Quebec, which has the lowest. Using data on more than 5,000 people, the researchers found no clinically significant difference.

The Healing Effects of Forests

Forests -- and other natural, green settings -- can reduce stress, improve moods, reduce anger and aggressiveness and increase overall happiness. Forest visits may also strengthen our immune system by increasing the activity and number of natural killer cells that destroy cancer cells.

bottle that!

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The Environment / If humans went extinct, what would replace us, if anything?

« on: 10/10/2010 02:59:12 »

My choice is ants, or possibly that modified pig with human hormones.

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Plant Sciences, Zoology & Evolution / Did dinosaurs and humans coexist as creationists say they did?

« on: 10/10/2010 02:36:44 »

What has facinated me is that every culture around the world has a dragon in its history. Including the Australian Aborigine and the rainbow serpent.

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 10/10/2010 02:00:36 »

many things eaten taken in high doses will cause cancer.
such as Fluoride which is added to our drinking water and food so governments can close dental facilities.

Yet the practice has always been controversial, primarily due to fluoride's undisputed status as a highly reactive neurotoxin. More recent studies suggest that ingestion of fluoride can damage the thyroid gland and reduce children's IQ levels. In 2006, a study published in Cancer Causes and Control found that exposure to large amounts of fluoridated water made seven-year-old boys four times more likely to develop a rare bone cancer known as childhood osteosarcoma.

In the new study, conducted on behalf of The Globe and Mail, researchers from Statistics Canada compared the tooth decay rates in the provinces of Ontario, which has Canada's highest fluoridation rate, and Quebec, which has the lowest. Using data on more than 5,000 people, the researchers found no clinically significant difference.

Science seems eager to change, modify and engineer our natural resources without consideration of their long term effect.
As it seems science is run by the corporate $ and not ethics.

So science suggests cloves to be altered genetically because it has a component, not proven to cause cancer but would be more saleable if the component was extracted genetically and made into a pill, then on the other hand fluoride, know to cause bone cancer, is more poisonous than lead and just slightly less poisonous than arsenic, causes chalky teeth etc is added to our water supply.

Epidemiological evidence shows that fluoride causes cancer.
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303222823

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Physiology & Medicine / What cancer therapies are available?

« on: 10/10/2010 00:53:01 »

Cloves are definitely good for toothache, but also contain a tumour promoting chemical. BC's point is that a medicalised version would have this chemical removed.

Has cloves ever been responsible for tumors?

The primary chemical constituents include eugenol, caryophyllene, and tannins. Cloves are said to have a positive effect on stomach ulcers, vomiting, flatulence, and to stimulate the digestive system. It has powerful local antiseptic and mild anesthetic actions. Japanese researchers have discovered that like many spices, clove contains antioxidants. Antioxidants help prevent the cell damage that scientists believe eventually causes cancer. On the other hand, in laboratory tests, the chemical eugenol, has been found to be a weak tumor promoter, making clove one of many healing herbs with both pro- and anti-cancer effects. At this point, scientists aren't sure which way the balance tilts. Until they are, anyone with a history of cancer should not use medicinal amounts of clove. For otherwise healthy non-pregnant, non-nursing adults, powdered clove is considered nontoxic.

"it has been proved not to be carcinogenic"

Eugenol is a natural phenolic compound that is the main component of clove oil and it is present in reasonable amounts in several other spices like basil, cinnamon and bay leaves. It is used as antiseptic, analgesic and anti-bacterial agent in traditional medicine in Asia as well as in dentistry as main ingredient of cavity filling cement. Several biological activities of eugenol have been described in literature [8,9] and it has been proved not to be carcinogenic neither mutagenic

so why change it?

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Chemistry / Will we run out of elements in 100 years?

« on: 06/10/2010 06:16:21 »

Ok folks we have lost the plot again so here is an article to get your teeth into.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/rare-earth-elements-the-world-is-rapidly-running-out-and-china-has-most-of-the-remaining-supply

and it appears Uk has the most purest form of silica, flint, and Australia has the most steel, possibly owned by Chinese.