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Offline sterling77 (OP)

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A Universe from Nothing and Horizon Equivalency
« on: 09/03/2019 07:34:45 »
 When I refer to things being "gravitationally bound" I mean in regards to what will remain together throughout time despite dark energy, such as our local group.

Would there be anything observably or mathematically different than if our local group had at some unnoticed point uneventfully fallen into a black hole's event horizon than such; distant light would be red shifted and become stretched too thin to be observed as time passed, space itself would appear to have an unattributed dark energy accelerating expansion and furthering away our causal reach faster and faster through time's passage, and the increase of our observable and cosmological horizon rapidly gobbling everything up? What if we already were irreversibly on our way toward a singularity; what would this look like? Maybe everybody so curious what it's like to fall into a black hole needn't be.

I further if this something arising from nothing (existence) in order for this something to exist and be balanced and equalized with respect to its nothing origin perhaps every single reference frame together with what its gravitationally bound to is together falling into a singularity? Relatively there can be observed by such a reference frame black holes through the swirling and random amassing of clumps of matter during its own fall. That is observing black holes while falling within a black hole. So observing a black hole doesn't differentiate its situation from one's own.

In such a way would all horizons become equivalent, as any point anywhere together with what its gravitationally bound to would share such fate as a singularity? Perhaps when measuring light of any observed horizon, its gravitational effects, its electromagnetic charge, and summing it all up limits various possibilities of how matter, energy, and spacetime can be arranged beyond it. Perhaps our existence is such an arrangement?

Could the dissipation of virtual particles causally lost beyond our enormous totality of horizons, from local black holes for instance to our receding-faster-than-light cosmological border and whatever others, be the engine driving the second law of thermodynamics? That macroscopic leaking of energy would correspond to the microscopic decay and evaporation of what's within the horizon. All matter and energy would eventually decay thus there would be nothing left to propagate gravity and so the singularity within the horizon would be spent and cease to be. This would be the shared experience of all things anywhere together with what it is gravitationally bound to, an infinite amount of points composing a field of singularities of which their inner horizon's composition and arrangement is limited by what can be observed and measured from it's outer causal horizon.

An immediate issue I have with such thought:

Is there a way to recede within a horizon into a kind of gravitationally bound singularity without all energy and matter being mutilated? Perhaps our assumptions of things being crushed into an infinitesimal point are incorrect. Perhaps there could exist a black hole so massive where crossing the event horizon and reaching the singularity take longer than proton decay? In other words is there a way to be heading toward a singularity and never observe it?

I suspect as our split off from nothingness is conserved all reference points are a singularity shared together with what its gravitationally bound to. All horizons within and bordering such a reference point would seep out energy, matter, and so gravity would be lost too, lost to beyond what is causal for this refrence point. This occurrence is equivalent to being lost into complete nothingness since the loss and decay of this reference point is occurring beyond its causal horizon. Anything beyond a reference point's causal horizon is relative complete nothingness. It's a way a refrence point can interact with complete nothingness and lose itself to it without violating physics. This would be a mechanism and a way a refrence point can go from something and be eaten and erased away back into nothing, since it's evaporating beyond its causal horizon who's to say it's not the mechanism making it completely disappear? The effect of such energy loss in turn is what drives the second law of thermodynamics and creates quantum uncertainty and moments of random decay as the composition of the refrence frame is losing energy.
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Re: A Universe from Nothing and Horizon Equivalency
« Reply #1 on: 09/03/2019 09:10:46 »
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Re: A Universe from Nothing and Horizon Equivalency
« Reply #2 on: 09/03/2019 09:48:11 »
@sterling77 Having just read through your monologue I am left with the impression that you think a lot about things. However, without an education in the subject matter you cannot make any real progress. Your ideas are confused. You first need to establish an understanding of where you are going wrong. It may be a lot of work to gain this understanding but it is very rewarding. I would recommend starting with classical physics. As suggested please try actually asking a question. Let the learning begin.
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