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Re: I am ready to test my idea
« Reply #20 on: 21/09/2015 14:09:00 »
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I understand what you are saying, that a person with your condition does not perceive they have any good meaning in life, but there must be people with the condition that do perceive they still have something meaningful in their life.


Maybe these people who do still consider they have meaningfulness in their life, suffer from a milder form of the illness.

Maybe a sufferers ''reward'' process still functions but the suppression and the individuals logic is greater than the reward.  If feelings of sadness exist, then feelings still exist inside, it is only a state of being and logic that puts a person in this mind set.

Logic and brain training is greater than any emotion.  Disciplining the mind is what society has created from the birth of any individual.  We are told what is right and wrong, we are told it is not normal to not to be happy at times, why is it not normal? 
is it normal when someone laughs when another person falls over?
This is insanity behaviour, there is nothing funny about a person falling over.


Is it logical that we are happy to get drunk and suffer all sorts of problems why we are out and the next day feel rough?

Again logically insane.

Logic is what is the key to your answer's you seek, telling yourself you have no purposely meaning is telling yourself logically this, just because you do not feel happy that does not mean you are not loved, this does not mean you have no purpose in life, living a robotic state, is not an illness, it is the realisation of the meaning of life that makes us this way. There is nothing I or you can do about realisation.

I see what you are saying.  But I am not trying to be mean or anything here, but if someone said something to me such as that depression/anhedonia can give good meaning to my life and can be a good thing for me in my life since there were many leaders and famous artists/composers who struggled with depression which made them more creative/intelligent and made them inspire others with their works of art, then this would be the utmost insulting advice to me.

This is because I have struggled with depression and anhedonia for so long.  It has taken everything away from me.  It has taken away all meaning in my life and has done nothing but crippled me.  There is nothing good about this.  Nothing good can come from living your life severely crippled like that.  It is only being a great leader and creating works of art whether they be dark, gothic, joyful, or beautiful through your good moods alone.  That is what transcends you and makes your life greater.  That is the exact opposite of depression and anhedonia which do nothing but cripple you and destroy all good meaning in your life.  Depression and anhedonia cripple us and our lives while our good moods transcend us and our lives.

So for anyone to tell me that my life can still have good meaning struggling with depression and anhedonia is the most insulting thing anyone can say to me.  For these people to still tell me to accept, to live most or my entire life depressed and/or anhedonic, and to find good meaning living like that is the most insulting thing.  It would be no different than if you had an enemy in your life.  He/she is your worst enemy who has destroyed your life.  If I were to then come up to you and say to you to just live most or your entire life with your enemy since you won't have any escape from him/her and for you to find good meaning living with this enemy, then that would be the most insulting thing.  It would be dismissive and inconsiderate of your suffering.  It is like I would be unaware of the depths of your suffering.

Now as for the rest of your post, I do not think it is insane at all to laugh when someone gets hurt or to get ourselves drunk.  I don't think it is insane at all for us to perform these foolish acts to get good moods from them.  This is because it all has an evolutionary basis.  If you were to look at this evolutionary wise, then you would see that there is nothing insane about it.  It is just how we as human beings normally function.  We are also not wired to think rationally.  Therefore, if those said things don't have any rationality to them, then I will have you know here that we as human beings have not evolved to think rationally since we have evolved to escape from danger.  That does not give us time to think.  We instead have to act.  As a matter of fact, I think even us creating works of art has a lack of rationality to it.  But we do it anyway to feel from it and such anyway.
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Re: I am ready to test my idea
« Reply #21 on: 22/09/2015 00:06:58 »
Quote from: Detective L Ryuzaki on 21/09/2015 14:09:00
Famous artists/composers who struggled with depression which made them more creative/intelligent and made them inspire others with their works of art, then this would be the utmost insulting advice to me.



Yet you continue to use logic to try to find an answer, being creative in your thinking, looking  to answer questions that probably the best psychologists in the world could not answer.
Is your own testament of being here, not showing you what other people are telling you is correct? you have a purpose of now and being here is your own testament, you are purposely looking to find answers to an illness that effects many lives, that is a purpose in itself.

One does not have to walk around 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week smiling and laughing , one does not even have to laugh at things other people would laugh at.  I do not smile or laugh, am I unhappy?  logically no although I do not ''feel'' happy.

 

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Re: I am ready to test my idea
« Reply #22 on: 22/09/2015 00:37:56 »
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Yet you continue to use logic to try to find an answer, being creative in your thinking, looking  to answer questions that probably the best psychologists in the world could not answer.
Is your own testament of being here, not showing you what other people are telling you is correct? you have a purpose of now and being here is your own testament, you are purposely looking to find answers to an illness that effects many lives, that is a purpose in itself.

One does not have to walk around 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week smiling and laughing , one does not even have to laugh at things other people would laugh at.  I do not smile or laugh, am I unhappy?  logically no although I do not ''feel'' happy.

It would actually be nothing more than just a preference.  I prefer to try and find an answer to my theory.  But that cannot bring me any joy, inspiration, happiness, or good meaning in my life without my good moods.   Living my life as nothing more than a mere preference will only fly with me for so long before I decide to just give up on life and my composing dream entirely.
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« Reply #23 on: 22/09/2015 01:23:45 »
Quote from: Detective L Ryuzaki on 22/09/2015 00:37:56

before I decide to just give up on life and my composing dream entirely.

Read your own words wisely, I decide is who decides.
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Re: I am ready to test my idea
« Reply #24 on: 22/09/2015 01:30:13 »
Quote from: Thebox on 22/09/2015 01:23:45
Quote from: Detective L Ryuzaki on 22/09/2015 00:37:56

before I decide to just give up on life and my composing dream entirely.

Read your own words wisely, I decide is who decides.

Yes, I know that I can decide whatever I want in life.  I could even decide to pursue my composing dream fully even without my good moods.  But all I am pointing out to you here is that none of that can bring me any good meaning, joy, love, happiness, or inspiration in my life without my good moods.
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