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Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?

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Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« on: 07/06/2017 22:45:23 »
I think I have figured out a way to obtain perpetual motion using double cones. I need a software to test my theory. Is there any software out there than can test complex design integrating gravity and friction, some kind of dynamic CAD.

I will appreciate any help or advise.
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Re: Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« Reply #1 on: 07/06/2017 22:51:41 »
Quote from: Bill Natan on 07/06/2017 22:45:23
I think I have figured out a way to obtain perpetual motion using double cones. I need a software to test my theory. Is there any software out there than can test complex design integrating gravity and friction, some kind of dynamic CAD.

I will appreciate any help or advise.
A perpetual motion machine is, by definition, a machine which creates energy, i.e. puts out more energy than is put into it. If you're going to try to make one using a mechanical device only then its impossible to do. This is a fact which is directly derivable from Newton's laws. If you plan on doing it in any other way then its impossible from the law of conservation of energy. And believe me when I say that people have been trying, and failing, for well over 100 years.
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Re: Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« Reply #2 on: 08/06/2017 00:43:18 »
Double cones apparently running up an inclined track is a neat illusion, found in science museums all over the world. The center of gravity of the double cone actually falls. If you put the whole assembly on a horizontal table, the rotor doesn't move.
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Re: Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« Reply #3 on: 08/06/2017 07:11:06 »
Quote from: alancalverd link=topic=70571.msg516205#Theate=1496878998
Double cones apparently running up an inclined track is a neat illusion, found in science museums all over the world. The center of gravity of the double cone actually falls. If you put the whole assembly on a horizontal table, the rotor doesn't move.

The horizontal method works, the tracks are placed in a circular pattern, perpetual motion is achieved but no usable energy is obtained, the double cone just rolls around and around. My idea places the tracks in a vertical plane and uses gravity to obtain some torque. I tried building one but it got to large and cumbersome to build at home, hence I need some kind of dynamic CAD to test my theory, don't want to waste to much energy and time building a model, just in case its a flop:-)
Its just a thought, all ideas are built that way.
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Re: Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« Reply #4 on: 08/06/2017 08:14:35 »
Quote from: Bill Natan on 07/06/2017 22:45:23
Is there any software out there than can test complex design integrating gravity and friction, some kind of dynamic CAD.

Any such software would have the current laws of physics built in, so it would not give the answer you are looking for.
As has been said above, these mechanisms don't produce more energy than put in.
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Re: Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« Reply #5 on: 08/06/2017 12:51:52 »
Even the universe isn't a perpetual motion machine. It will eventually run out of usable energy. So what makes you think you can defy that?
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Re: Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« Reply #6 on: 09/06/2017 07:29:04 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 08/06/2017 12:51:52
Even the universe isn't a perpetual motion machine. It will eventually run out of usable energy. So what makes you think you can defy that?

Its not defying the laws of physics but manipulatiing gravity, you don't allow it to have a sweet spot and come to rest. I have achieved perpetual motion using these double cones, I have placed the tracks in a circular pattern. The problem is it cannot provide useful energy, it might push out a few milliwatts, that's free energy.
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Re: Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« Reply #7 on: 09/06/2017 13:05:17 »
I think manipulating gravity is a poorly thought out phrase.
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Re: Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« Reply #8 on: 09/06/2017 21:42:09 »
Quote from: Bill Natan on 09/06/2017 07:29:04
Its not defying the laws of physics but manipulatiing gravity, you don't allow it to have a sweet spot and come to rest. I have achieved perpetual motion using these double cones, I have placed the tracks in a circular pattern. The problem is it cannot provide useful energy, it might push out a few milliwatts, that's free energy.
A few mill watts is free energy.

As I stated above its a well known fact that a perpetual motion machine cannot be created. Its not even that difficult to prove if you know calculus and Newton's laws.
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Re: Is there a software system to test my Perpetual Motion Machine?
« Reply #9 on: 10/06/2017 15:03:10 »
" I need a software to test my theory. Is there any software out there than can test complex design integrating gravity and friction,"
Yes.
Software is available that will let you do this test.
What you need is a web browser, then you can post the idea on discussion fora and people will point it that it can't work.

So, you now have an answer to your  original question, and you know that your design won't work.
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