[Bored chemist]

Well, you could try actually answering the point but... it seems you can't.
Why not just accept that and stop?
Anyway, in the mean time
Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.

[guest39538]

Well, you could try actually answering the point but... it seems you can't.
Why not just accept that and stop?
Anyway, in the mean time
Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.

Onto ignore, I think Sophia has a virus.

[Bored chemist]

Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.

[guest39538]

Since you have essentially  fallen to the level of saying "because magic..." there's no real point to continuing this discussion.

No magic involved Mr C, just physics. 

Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater.   The bubble pushing outwards and the water  pushing back, inwards.  The bubble being self inflating like the black hole.

Try this Mr C, half inflate a balloon, tie it off.   Place the balloon on a window sill on a hot bright day.  The balloon will expand slightly.

The balloon starts to fill with photons.

hf/S

I did this the other, over inflated it though, the balloon ''exploded' though, it expanded past its stress levels  , to many photons with no where to go.


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[Bored chemist]

Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater. 

Why would I do that?
It's not as if black holes act like bubbles.

For example, you can easily tell if you are in a bubble or not and yu can see where the boundary is.
That's not true with black holes.

[guest39538]

Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater.

Why would I do that?
It's not as if black holes act like bubbles.

For example, you can easily tell if you are in a bubble or not and yu can see where the boundary is.
That's not true with black holes.

That is because Bh and space is transparent so boundaries are ''blended'' in to disguise them.  If you were in a Bh you would not even be able to tell until you tried to leave the Bh and smash into the n-field ''wall''.

[Bored chemist]

you were in a Bh you would not even be able to tell

And if you were in a bubble, you would be able to tell- because you would be in air, rather than water.
So we agree that black holes and bubbles don't behave the same way.

OK so why do you pretend they do behave the same way?

Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater. 

It's just silly to push analogies like that.

A hole will expand if  you put more mass into it and that includes the mass of photons hitting it.

But the real problem with your idea is this

BH expands and pushes the celestial bodies outwards

How can it push?
Nothing from the hole can leave it to push on the other things.

You have been ignoring this  fundamental flaw in your idea for a while now.
It's time you addressed it or accepted that, as is so often the case, you are simply wrong.

[guest39538]

you were in a Bh you would not even be able to tell

And if you were in a bubble, you would be able to tell- because you would be in air, rather than water.
So we agree that black holes and bubbles don't behave the same way.

OK so why do you pretend they do behave the same way?

Consider a black hole in being liking to an air bubble underwater.

It's just silly to push analogies like that.

A hole will expand if  you put more mass into it and that includes the mass of photons hitting it.

But the real problem with your idea is this

BH expands and pushes the celestial bodies outwards

How can it push?
Nothing from the hole can leave it to push on the other things.

You have been ignoring this  fundamental flaw in your idea for a while now.
It's time you addressed it or accepted that, as is so often the case, you are simply wrong.

Space-time expands in space-time, space-time pushes back the expanding space-time.  The bubble is submerged in space-time.  Like a magnet can push a magnet  see.