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Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity

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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #40 on: 02/08/2022 11:14:03 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/07/2022 10:38:21
Quote from: championoftruth on 30/07/2022 21:07:52
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the question can it be used make dirty water into clean drinking water?
No.
It might remove a lot of impurities  but not all of them.
Essentially, that's just a slow complicated way to filter the water.

Complicated? 2 cups and a tissue.

Does not answer the question I ASKED
I think you will find that I did answer; and the answer was "no".

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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #41 on: 02/08/2022 14:29:16 »
That video was interesting for just one reason: it ended with more liquid depth in the left hand (receiver) glass than the right (source). Magic, lopsided gravitation, or dishonest editing?   
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #42 on: 03/08/2022 21:52:23 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 02/08/2022 14:29:16
That video was interesting for just one reason: it ended with more liquid depth in the left hand (receiver) glass than the right (source). Magic, lopsided gravitation, or dishonest editing?

IT'S THE SAME OR A PERSPECTIVE effect.

Anyway no answers to the original question.

All i got was some weirdo going on about perpetual motion machines with helium and Borad just saying no without any facts or figures and going on about PPM as well and telling me you can't get free energy. whicch i never said i would.

I actually intend  to do the experiment using saltwater but simply use the taste test as i don't have salt concentration meters and TDS meters are very inaccurate.

i will use just 2 cups on 1 night and the the next morning i will take cup 2 as the master cup and and empty cup3
and then cup3 as master cup with cup4 as empty cup and so on.

i urge everyone to do the same experiment.

i propose to put 1 level teaspoon of salt in starting cup 1.
and use a standard kitchen towel folded with 5 folds as the capillary medium.


« Last Edit: 03/08/2022 21:55:34 by championoftruth »
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #43 on: 03/08/2022 22:09:48 »
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TDS meters are very inaccurate
I saw a very cheap TDS meter (Total Dissolved Solids) at my local hardware store, claiming 2% accuracy or ±1ppm from 1ppm to 1000ppm.
- That sounds a lot more accurate than human taste-buds
- And less liable to become a self-fulfilling prophecy

If you want to improve on taste-buds, and have a Digital Volt-meter, you can set it to Ohms range
- Now that really does have some accuracy problems:
- For sampling both glasses, you need to have the probes:
       - The same distance apart
       - The same angle
       - The same depth in the water

Frankly, the TDS meter sounds like the only reasonable way to go...

When you report your results, please also report on:
- How much water originally went into the first glass in the evening
- How much was left in the original glass in the morning
- How much made it to the other glass
- And hence, how much was lost (to wetting the paper towel, or evaporation)
- Whether the water height in the second glass was higher than the height remaining in the first glass (a level photo would be good...)
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #44 on: 03/08/2022 22:37:00 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 03/08/2022 21:52:23
Anyway no answers to the original question.
Yes there is.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/07/2022 19:48:37
No.
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #45 on: 03/08/2022 23:34:52 »
Now I have not read this all but it seems to suggest salt water goes up with depth. There seems to be many variables

https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=24631&t=salt-concentration-vs.-water-depth#:~:text=The%20easy%20part%20is%3A%20yes,can%20be%20lowered%20that%20way.

Now you may think the capillary action would facilitate less salty water rising, but as I already said, the glass in the video is more than likely acting as a siphon. If you used capilliary action uphill and then somehow induced a momentary pressure in the medium of capilliaration in the higher vertical position to induce venting of liquid and facilitate  extraction for collection,  this may well serve as a potential means of desalination of dihydrogen monoxide liquid.
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #46 on: 04/08/2022 11:28:57 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 03/08/2022 23:34:52
Now I have not read this all but it seems to suggest salt water goes up with depth. There seems to be many variables

https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=24631&t=salt-concentration-vs.-water-depth#:~:text=The%20easy%20part%20is%3A%20yes,can%20be%20lowered%20that%20way.

Now you may think the capillary action would facilitate less salty water rising, but as I already said, the glass in the video is more than likely acting as a siphon. If you used capilliary action uphill and then somehow induced a momentary pressure in the medium of capilliaration in the higher vertical position to induce venting of liquid and facilitate  extraction for collection,  this may well serve as a potential means of desalination of dihydrogen monoxide liquid.

Well done on the techobabble. You have learned well from ST: Voyager. ;D

The glass acting as a siphon is dubious as it is the tissues that carry the water. In siphons you have to SUCK up water into the siphon tube otherwise nothing will happen.

We are talking about mobility of OH- AND NA+ AND CL- ions.
Any slight difference could be used.
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #47 on: 04/08/2022 11:32:29 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/08/2022 22:37:00
Quote from: championoftruth on 03/08/2022 21:52:23
Anyway no answers to the original question.
Yes there is.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/07/2022 19:48:37
No.

That was a declaration not an answer.

It was also mixed up with free energy rubbish.
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #48 on: 27/08/2022 11:43:10 »
I think we here do some confusion between the capilarity and the filtering possibility due to the tiny "pores"
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #49 on: 27/08/2022 12:06:22 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 04/08/2022 11:32:29
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/08/2022 22:37:00
Quote from: championoftruth on 03/08/2022 21:52:23
Anyway no answers to the original question.
Yes there is.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/07/2022 19:48:37
No.

That was a declaration not an answer.

It was also mixed up with free energy rubbish.
You failing to understand something doesn't make it rubbish.
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #50 on: 27/08/2022 13:31:19 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/08/2022 12:06:22
Quote from: championoftruth on 04/08/2022 11:32:29
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/08/2022 22:37:00
Quote from: championoftruth on 03/08/2022 21:52:23
Anyway no answers to the original question.
Yes there is.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/07/2022 19:48:37
No.

That was a declaration not an answer.

It was also mixed up with free energy rubbish.
You failing to understand something doesn't make it rubbish.

i was referring to the free energy rubbish. not the other bits.
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Re: Can you use capillary action to clean water or reduce salinity
« Reply #51 on: 27/08/2022 14:16:15 »
Quote from: championoftruth on 27/08/2022 13:31:19
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/08/2022 12:06:22
Quote from: championoftruth on 04/08/2022 11:32:29
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/08/2022 22:37:00
Quote from: championoftruth on 03/08/2022 21:52:23
Anyway no answers to the original question.
Yes there is.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/07/2022 19:48:37
No.

That was a declaration not an answer.

It was also mixed up with free energy rubbish.
You failing to understand something doesn't make it rubbish.

i was referring to the free energy rubbish. not the other bits.
And I was referring to the fact that you are dismissing as "rubbish", the reason why we know the answer to the question.
Quote from: championoftruth on 01/08/2022 21:26:31
Once again I don't understand

Get back to us when you work it out.
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