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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #20 on: 11/12/2023 18:08:04 »
The lunar effect is a similarly touted environmental factor.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_effect

More motorbike crashes, more crime and apparently your blood doesn't clot as well, although this was rebuffed by the royal college of surgeons(who may know better)
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #21 on: 11/12/2023 23:49:32 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 11/12/2023 18:08:04
The lunar effect is a similarly touted environmental factor.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_effect

More motorbike crashes, more crime and apparently your blood doesn't clot as well, although this was rebuffed by the royal college of surgeons(who may know better)

When I saw the articles it reminded me of the so called "Lunar Effect" as well, but instead of the moon it's the sun, and instead of "tidal forces" it is "Schumann resonances" and magnetism. The Lunar Effect has been talked about for ages. I'm wondering why all of a sudden there seem to be studies cropping up within the past 2-3 years making claims that geomagnetic storms cause pretty much every health problem imaginable. They're done by different authors in different countries, but they always seem to use the same terms and focus on Earth's magnetic field as the culprit for all these negative effects on the human body.

First time hearing of "heliobiology" as well, which is apparently what this field of science is.
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #22 on: 12/12/2023 15:36:39 »
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 11/12/2023 23:49:32


When I saw the articles it reminded me of the so called "Lunar Effect" as well, but instead of the moon it's the sun, and instead of "tidal forces" it is "Schumann resonances" and magnetism. The Lunar Effect has been talked about for ages. I'm wondering why all of a sudden there seem to be studies cropping up within the past 2-3 years making claims that geomagnetic storms cause pretty much every health problem imaginable. They're done by different authors in different countries, but they always seem to use the same terms and focus on Earth's magnetic field as the culprit for all these negative effects on the human body.

First time hearing of "heliobiology" as well, which is apparently what this field of science is.
The motorbike crashes they think is to do with shadows and eyesight. Maybe a similar reason for crime, full moons where always good for night time activities, other than covert operations, maybe it is the fact that more people get caught under a full moon.

If pace makers are affected by magnetism, perhaps a small percentile of pacemakers go ponto?
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #23 on: 12/12/2023 16:43:01 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 12/12/2023 15:36:39
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 11/12/2023 23:49:32


When I saw the articles it reminded me of the so called "Lunar Effect" as well, but instead of the moon it's the sun, and instead of "tidal forces" it is "Schumann resonances" and magnetism. The Lunar Effect has been talked about for ages. I'm wondering why all of a sudden there seem to be studies cropping up within the past 2-3 years making claims that geomagnetic storms cause pretty much every health problem imaginable. They're done by different authors in different countries, but they always seem to use the same terms and focus on Earth's magnetic field as the culprit for all these negative effects on the human body.

First time hearing of "heliobiology" as well, which is apparently what this field of science is.
The motorbike crashes they think is to do with shadows and eyesight. Maybe a similar reason for crime, full moons where always good for night time activities, other than covert operations, maybe it is the fact that more people get caught under a full moon.

If pace makers are affected by magnetism, perhaps a small percentile of pacemakers go ponto?

The studies aren't talking about people with pacemakers, though. They're implying the fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field during solar flares causes disruptions in human nervous systems and hearts (without pacemakers) similar to how they disrupt power grids.
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #24 on: 12/12/2023 18:50:02 »
I searched American College of Cardiology and found a paper from Mayo Clinic Proceedings, which sourced Journal of the American College of Cardiology which seems to debunk the notion that geomagnetic storms cause arrhythmias:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4807870/ - sample size is large at around 60,000 people.

No effects seen on the heart at magnetic fields up to 8 T: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15556667/

However, Journal of the American Heart Association finds a correlation between geomagnetic storms and higher blood pressure: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006 Associations remained after adjustment for ambient air pollutants and ambient particle radioactivity.
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #25 on: 12/12/2023 20:42:29 »
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 12/12/2023 16:43:01
The studies aren't talking about people with pacemakers, though. They're implying the fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field during solar flares causes disruptions in human nervous systems and hearts (without pacemakers) similar to how they disrupt power grids.
How do meteorological events impact upon illness?
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #26 on: 12/12/2023 21:28:32 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 12/12/2023 20:42:29
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 12/12/2023 16:43:01
The studies aren't talking about people with pacemakers, though. They're implying the fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field during solar flares causes disruptions in human nervous systems and hearts (without pacemakers) similar to how they disrupt power grids.
How do meteorological events impact upon illness?

Are you talking about how solar flares allegedly affect human health? The theories always seem to involve Schumann resonances, fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field, and the pineal gland. As to the exact mechanism these articles never go into detail about that.
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #27 on: 12/12/2023 23:08:16 »
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 12/12/2023 21:28:32
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 12/12/2023 20:42:29
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 12/12/2023 16:43:01
The studies aren't talking about people with pacemakers, though. They're implying the fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field during solar flares causes disruptions in human nervous systems and hearts (without pacemakers) similar to how they disrupt power grids.
How do meteorological events impact upon illness?

Are you talking about how solar flares allegedly affect human health? The theories always seem to involve Schumann resonances, fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field, and the pineal gland. As to the exact mechanism these articles never go into detail about that.
Barometric pressure, rain sun heat humidity etc. How does this relate to any solar flare activity.
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #28 on: 13/12/2023 03:11:00 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 12/12/2023 23:08:16
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 12/12/2023 21:28:32
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 12/12/2023 20:42:29
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 12/12/2023 16:43:01
The studies aren't talking about people with pacemakers, though. They're implying the fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field during solar flares causes disruptions in human nervous systems and hearts (without pacemakers) similar to how they disrupt power grids.
How do meteorological events impact upon illness?

Are you talking about how solar flares allegedly affect human health? The theories always seem to involve Schumann resonances, fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field, and the pineal gland. As to the exact mechanism these articles never go into detail about that.
Barometric pressure, rain sun heat humidity etc. How does this relate to any solar flare activity.

I'm not sure how this is relevant to the topic of geomagnetic storms causing health problems.
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #29 on: 13/12/2023 08:41:04 »
Time now to ask the killer question: So what? Having failed to control the earth's climate, are we now going to have to fund fatuous conferences on controlling sunspots?   
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Re: Geomagnetic storms cause heart attacks, schizophrenia, seizures, and suicides.
« Reply #30 on: 13/12/2023 09:12:46 »
Quote from: SkepticalDebunker on 13/12/2023 03:11:00
I'm not sure how this is relevant to the topic of geomagnetic storms causing health problems.
Well given we have established magnetism does not cause health problems, if there is a link, it must be via another avenue. Perhaps a geomagnetic storm causes a large pressure change, perhaps ionisation of the air has an effect.

https://earth-planets-space.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40623-014-0154-2
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