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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #20 on: 28/05/2009 16:36:37 »
Quote from: BenV on 28/05/2009 16:30:14
Quote from: ScientificBoysClub on 28/05/2009 16:04:08
I don't get it..!!  How can G Force range is Infinity ? it is well  known fact that it's limited range.

It's not a well known fact, as it's not well known and it's not a fact.  Did you notice that Bored Chemist gave the equation earlier?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2009 17:18:17
F= G M1 M2 /R^2

This means that there's an inverse square relationship, and unless you are an infinite distance apart, the attraction will always be greater than 0.

That is a well known fact.
it must be theoretically very true but what about in reality ?
any example ?
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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #21 on: 28/05/2009 16:41:07 »
Quote from: BenV on 28/05/2009 16:30:14
Quote from: ScientificBoysClub on 28/05/2009 16:04:08
I don't get it..!!  How can G Force range is Infinity ? it is well  known fact that it's limited range.

It's not a well known fact, as it's not well known and it's not a fact.  Did you notice that Bored Chemist gave the equation earlier?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2009 17:18:17
F= G M1 M2 /R^2

This means that there's an inverse square relationship, and unless you are an infinite distance apart, the attraction will always be greater than 0.

That is a well known fact.
i can see the inverse relation R^2
but we generally say that taking infinity is meaning less .....?? like we say 1/infinity is undefined ?
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« Reply #22 on: 28/05/2009 16:54:29 »
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Quote from: BenV on 28/05/2009 16:30:14
Quote from: ScientificBoysClub on 28/05/2009 16:04:08
I don't get it..!!  How can G Force range is Infinity ? it is well  known fact that it's limited range.

It's not a well known fact, as it's not well known and it's not a fact.  Did you notice that Bored Chemist gave the equation earlier?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2009 17:18:17
F= G M1 M2 /R^2

This means that there's an inverse square relationship, and unless you are an infinite distance apart, the attraction will always be greater than 0.

That is a well known fact.
BenV

I admit it that I was wrong about limited range but i was telling you in terms of General theory of relativity .... it is limited .. am i wrong ?
Why on earth all answers r being posted in terms of Newtons Universal law of G ?
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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #23 on: 28/05/2009 16:56:52 »
Quote from: BenV on 28/05/2009 16:30:14
Quote from: ScientificBoysClub on 28/05/2009 16:04:08
I don't get it..!!  How can G Force range is Infinity ? it is well  known fact that it's limited range.

It's not a well known fact, as it's not well known and it's not a fact.  Did you notice that Bored Chemist gave the equation earlier?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2009 17:18:17
F= G M1 M2 /R^2

This means that there's an inverse square relationship, and unless you are an infinite distance apart, the attraction will always be greater than 0.

That is a well known fact.
do you know the range of electromagnetic force is Infinity ? tooo why ?  Oh ! cos its light ......
ok light can be infinity range .
« Last Edit: 28/05/2009 17:00:58 by ScientificBoysClub »
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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #24 on: 28/05/2009 17:33:00 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2009 15:35:30
The talk of zero g refers to an objetc in free fall- since it's already following gravity, gravity doesn't have an aparent effect. Of course since gravity has an infinite range there is always a gravitational field everywhere. But if you are far enough away from things the effect is small.

Also, re
"Why planets Revolve around sun why not fall towards sun?"
They do fall towards the sun, but they keep missing; that's why they stay in orbit.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/05/2009 06:52:59
Just because you don't like the idea of gravity having an infinite range doesn't mean it's not true.
What else could happen? What would stop it at some finite range?



Also, if English isn't your first language then perhaps you should avoid "text speak".


Ok BC I am sorry . it was my fault that My whole focus was on General theory of Relativity . which is bending of space and time is limited so I thought Gravity would be limited but It is limited according to this theory!!

thanks for teaching me whole thing which is new to me ... i.e,. G force range in infinity.

Ok.. I am taking all my words back. sorry and thanks !! But think about the theory above !!
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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #25 on: 28/05/2009 18:34:56 »
Quote from: ScientificBoysClub on 28/05/2009 16:54:29
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Quote from: BenV on 28/05/2009 16:30:14
Quote from: ScientificBoysClub on 28/05/2009 16:04:08
I don't get it..!!  How can G Force range is Infinity ? it is well  known fact that it's limited range.

It's not a well known fact, as it's not well known and it's not a fact.  Did you notice that Bored Chemist gave the equation earlier?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2009 17:18:17
F= G M1 M2 /R^2

This means that there's an inverse square relationship, and unless you are an infinite distance apart, the attraction will always be greater than 0.

That is a well known fact.
BenV

I admit it that I was wrong about limited range but i was telling you in terms of General theory of relativity .... it is limited .. am i wrong ?
Why on earth all answers r being posted in terms of Newtons Universal law of G ?

Well, for a start, yes, you are wrong; the range is infinite.
Also there's no difference between Newton's and Einstien's laws as far as the range is concerned.
In one case there's a force with infinite range. In the other case space is warped over an infinite distance.
It's a hell of a lot easier to do the maths in Newton's version and the answers come out the same.

 (At least for the case of the sun, space shuttle and the earth. Black holes etc are another issue as are the "speed" of gravity and the effect of gracvity waves)
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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #26 on: 28/05/2009 20:07:54 »
also, did you know that you can edit a post if you want to add to it, instead of posting repeatedly
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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #27 on: 28/05/2009 20:14:05 »
If he's not going to heed the laws of physics I can't see hem troubling with the rules of the forum.
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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #28 on: 31/05/2009 17:14:30 »
SBC
Having just read this thread for the first time, it is clear that you have piled in with both feet and you may not have stated, in the first place, what you actually wanted to know or the point you were trying to make.
If you were just arguing about the classical view then you were out of step with everyone else and can't really expect to be taken seriously. Once you have established some credibility about your classical knowledge then you are in a better position to have your views on the more advanced stuff listened to.
As the classical view is based on an infinite, stable universe, it is not surprising that it runs out of steam in a finite / expanding universe. Beyond it, though, we are still in the realms of speculation.
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« Reply #29 on: 24/11/2009 09:45:10 »
I still did not understand this

what about sun's G force ?
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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #30 on: 24/11/2009 14:19:55 »
What about it? Specifically, what is your question?
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How can we say there is Zero G force in space what about SUN's G ?
« Reply #31 on: 24/11/2009 14:54:42 »
Quote from: BenV on 24/11/2009 14:19:55
What about it? Specifically, what is your question?
Sir,
If sun is present in space.
and why astronauts don't feel sun's attraction ?

as our planet Earth and other should feel..

I have a proof that "General theory of relativity" wins ...AGAIN
but sir.Isaac newton got wrong ... at a point.
and what is the proof that G Range is infinity ?

we can do lots of tricks in math as you explained me.
but not possible in real.

General relativity does not say G as infinity range.

I am not agreeing with infinity range statement.
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