The Naked Scientists
  • Login
  • Register
  • Podcasts
      • The Naked Scientists
      • eLife
      • Naked Genetics
      • Naked Astronomy
      • In short
      • Naked Neuroscience
      • Ask! The Naked Scientists
      • Question of the Week
      • Archive
      • Video
      • SUBSCRIBE to our Podcasts
  • Articles
      • Science News
      • Features
      • Interviews
      • Answers to Science Questions
  • Get Naked
      • Donate
      • Do an Experiment
      • Science Forum
      • Ask a Question
  • About
      • Meet the team
      • Our Sponsors
      • Site Map
      • Contact us

User menu

  • Login
  • Register
  • Home
  • Help
  • Search
  • Tags
  • Recent Topics
  • Login
  • Register
  1. Naked Science Forum
  2. Non Life Sciences
  3. Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology
  4. ?How did Isaac Newton test his gravity theories about planets?
« previous next »
  • Print
Pages: [1]   Go Down

?How did Isaac Newton test his gravity theories about planets?

  • 6 Replies
  • 12904 Views
  • 0 Tags

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Johann Mahne

  • Guest
?How did Isaac Newton test his gravity theories about planets?
« on: 29/05/2011 11:19:45 »
I'm thinking of his famous equation where he states:

 
Quote
In his own words, “I deduced that the forces which keep the planets in their orbs must [be] reciprocally as the squares of their distances from the centers about which they revolve:

The distance to the sun was not known,even Huygens who lived in Newton's time had inaccurate faults in his distance calculations ( so say the historians)
The distance to the moon was also far from accurate during that time.
« Last Edit: 29/05/2011 11:29:55 by Johann Mahne »
Logged
 



Offline syhprum

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 5198
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 74 times
  • Best Answer
  • ?How did Isaac Newton test his gravity theories about planets?
    « Reply #1 on: 30/05/2011 18:19:35 »
    I always heard that Newton had grave doubts about his theory of gravitation due to the inaccurate published figure for the distance of the moon.
    Logged
     

    Offline JP

    • Naked Science Forum King!
    • ******
    • 3346
    • Activity:
      0%
    • Thanked: 3 times
  • Best Answer
  • ?How did Isaac Newton test his gravity theories about planets?
    « Reply #2 on: 31/05/2011 03:58:04 »
    He had a very big ruler.

    Also, he relied heavily on the works of Johannes Kepler, who had compiled a lot of very detailed information on the motion of the planets.  Exact distances might not have been known, but he knew that the orbits were elliptical and how quickly the planets moved around these ellipses.  Most importantly, Kepler worked out from these observations that the planet's motion around the sun varied in a precise mathematical way depending on how far they were from the sun.  Even if the exact distances were wrong, the data was good enough to see a pattern in planetary motion as it related to distance from the sun.  Newton's genius was to look at this and figure out how to express it in terms of gravitational forces.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Kepler

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler%27s_laws_of_planetary_motion
    Logged
     

    Offline imatfaal

    • Naked Science Forum King!
    • ******
    • 2782
    • Activity:
      0%
    • Thanked: 1 times
    • rouge moderator
  • Best Answer
  • ?How did Isaac Newton test his gravity theories about planets?
    « Reply #3 on: 31/05/2011 10:09:58 »
    Johann - you would be interested in one of Feynman's books - I read it many years ago and the title escapes me (I will find it eventually).  Richard Feynman set his grad class a holiday challenge of reproving much of Newtons work using first principles and without modern mathematics!  He was disappointed when none managed it and very surprised when he realised how difficult it was when he tried himself.  It's a great read (as are all of RF's books) and very instructive
    Logged
    There’s no sense in being precise when you don’t even know what you’re talking about.  John Von Neumann

    At the surface, we may appear as intellects, helpful people, friendly staff or protectors of the interwebs. Deep down inside, we're all trolls. CaptainPanic @ sf.n
     

    Offline imatfaal

    • Naked Science Forum King!
    • ******
    • 2782
    • Activity:
      0%
    • Thanked: 1 times
    • rouge moderator
  • Best Answer
  • ?How did Isaac Newton test his gravity theories about planets?
    « Reply #4 on: 31/05/2011 10:15:17 »
    It was just proving Kepler's Law of Ellipses using inverse square relationship! 

    Here is the book
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Feynmans-Lost-Lecture-Motions-Planets/dp/0099736217/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1306833075&sr=8-20

    Now I will have to dig it out and read it (add it to the huge pile of reading)
    Logged
    There’s no sense in being precise when you don’t even know what you’re talking about.  John Von Neumann

    At the surface, we may appear as intellects, helpful people, friendly staff or protectors of the interwebs. Deep down inside, we're all trolls. CaptainPanic @ sf.n
     



    Offline Bored chemist

    • Naked Science Forum GOD!
    • *******
    • 31101
    • Activity:
      11%
    • Thanked: 1291 times
  • Best Answer
  • ?How did Isaac Newton test his gravity theories about planets?
    « Reply #5 on: 31/05/2011 13:21:32 »
    It's possible that, while they had an inaccurate measurement of the planets, they had a much better measurement of the relative distances. They could measure the distances by triangulation from the diameter of the Earth's orbit. But they didn't really know what that diameter was (until, iirc, they did some measurements of the transit of Venus)
    Logged
    Please disregard all previous signatures.
     

    Johann Mahne

    • Guest
  • Best Answer
  • ?How did Isaac Newton test his gravity theories about planets?
    « Reply #6 on: 13/06/2011 14:15:43 »
    Quote from: imatfaal on 31/05/2011 10:15:17
    It was just proving Kepler's Law of Ellipses using inverse square relationship! 

    Here is the book
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Feynmans-Lost-Lecture-Motions-Planets/dp/0099736217/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1306833075&sr=8-20

    Now I will have to dig it out and read it (add it to the huge pile of reading)
    Thanks very much imatfaal.It been has puzzled me for some time.Thanks also to JP.
    « Last Edit: 13/06/2011 14:17:52 by Johann Mahne »
    Logged
     



    • Print
    Pages: [1]   Go Up
    « previous next »
    Tags:
     
    There was an error while thanking
    Thanking...
    • SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
      Privacy Policy
      SMFAds for Free Forums
    • Naked Science Forum ©

    Page created in 0.383 seconds with 41 queries.

    • Podcasts
    • Articles
    • Get Naked
    • About
    • Contact us
    • Advertise
    • Privacy Policy
    • Subscribe to newsletter
    • We love feedback

    Follow us

    cambridge_logo_footer.png

    ©The Naked Scientists® 2000–2017 | The Naked Scientists® and Naked Science® are registered trademarks created by Dr Chris Smith. Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.