The Naked Scientists
  • Login
  • Register
  • Podcasts
      • The Naked Scientists
      • eLife
      • Naked Genetics
      • Naked Astronomy
      • In short
      • Naked Neuroscience
      • Ask! The Naked Scientists
      • Question of the Week
      • Archive
      • Video
      • SUBSCRIBE to our Podcasts
  • Articles
      • Science News
      • Features
      • Interviews
      • Answers to Science Questions
  • Get Naked
      • Donate
      • Do an Experiment
      • Science Forum
      • Ask a Question
  • About
      • Meet the team
      • Our Sponsors
      • Site Map
      • Contact us

User menu

  • Login
  • Register
  • Home
  • Help
  • Search
  • Tags
  • Recent Topics
  • Login
  • Register
  1. Naked Science Forum
  2. Non Life Sciences
  3. Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology
  4. Tricky V I EMF Graph Need help please
« previous next »
  • Print
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Tricky V I EMF Graph Need help please

  • 2 Replies
  • 4213 Views
  • 0 Tags

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Manager123 (OP)

  • First timers
  • *
  • 1
  • Activity:
    0%
Tricky V I EMF Graph Need help please
« on: 07/06/2013 09:34:15 »


Im really confused with this question, newbielink:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v6ydqbfrg20whtb/ZWR-r9ZOSH?lst#f:q17.JPG [nonactive]

the way i did it was like this  newbielink:http://www.s-cool.co.uk/a-level/assets/learn_its/alevel/physics/Resistance/internal-resistance-emf-and-potential-difference/Finding%20the%20internal%20resistance.gif [nonactive]

However the voltmeter is over the battery, so does this mean that its the opposite and a positive gradient ???
Logged
 



Online evan_au

  • Global Moderator
  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • ********
  • 11032
  • Activity:
    7.5%
  • Thanked: 1486 times
Re: Tricky V I EMF Graph Need help please
« Reply #1 on: 08/06/2013 02:12:40 »
The answer just gives you one quadrant to graph the results, so it presumes that the voltmeter V and current meter A are connected to give positive readings.

The graph you give looks right:
  • When there is zero current, the voltage measured is ε Volts
  • When the variable resistor=0, the voltage will be zero, and the current will be at a maximum = ε/r Amps.
  • The equation of the line is V=ε-rI
  • But the gradient is "-r", not "r", giving a positive resistance

As a "sanity check", this looks right because, with realistic passive components:
  • Resistors are ≥ 0 Ohms
  • The battery output power is finite:
    • If you put too much load on it, the power output (VxA) drops to zero because V=0
    • If you don't put any load on it, the power output (VxA) is zero because I=0
    • There is some maximum output power in the middle, where the variable resistor is the same as r
  • The idea of having a circuit where the slope of the line is positive means that as you increase the load, the output voltage also increases
    • So if you reduced the load to zero, the battery output power would be infinite!
    • This is quite unlike ordinary batteries!
PS: This assumes "ideal" measuring instruments: A Voltmeter with infinite impedance, and an Ammeter with zero impedance.


Logged
 

Offline syhprum

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 5198
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 74 times
Re: Tricky V I EMF Graph Need help please
« Reply #2 on: 08/06/2013 11:11:54 »
Ohms law is of course a poor representation of how things behave in the real world if Manager123 measured the ratio of current to voltage in his lamps he would find that it varies by a factor of ten to one depending upon how much current is flowing.
Logged
 



  • Print
Pages: [1]   Go Up
« previous next »
Tags:
 
There was an error while thanking
Thanking...
  • SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
    Privacy Policy
    SMFAds for Free Forums
  • Naked Science Forum ©

Page created in 0.473 seconds with 36 queries.

  • Podcasts
  • Articles
  • Get Naked
  • About
  • Contact us
  • Advertise
  • Privacy Policy
  • Subscribe to newsletter
  • We love feedback

Follow us

cambridge_logo_footer.png

©The Naked Scientists® 2000–2017 | The Naked Scientists® and Naked Science® are registered trademarks created by Dr Chris Smith. Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.