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Re: Artificial intelligence versus real intelligence
« Reply #360 on: 01/07/2018 15:31:15 »
Quote from: Le Repteux on 01/07/2018 15:20:29
Quote from: Thebox on 01/07/2018 06:58:51
Think I am insane ? 
Everybody is, so you have good chances to be so too! :0) Take care not to begin thinking that you are the only one sane or the only one insane and you will survive! :0)

I know I am sane and insane at the same time, I have started to enjoy my insanity and sanity , really starting to find a natural buzz from it.   

Some insane things are actually quite logically sane.

I am fresh air right ?  Seen the light and all that ....
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Re: Artificial intelligence versus real intelligence
« Reply #361 on: 01/07/2018 15:51:32 »
Just take care no to begin to think that you can judge all by yourself if you are sane or not, and you will be fine. We are all insane, but it's no good to think about how we feel all the time or to never think about that. Extremes have to be avoided as often as possible.
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« Reply #362 on: 01/07/2018 16:04:14 »
Quote from: Le Repteux on 01/07/2018 15:51:32
Just take care no to begin to think that you can judge all by yourself if you are sane or not, and you will be fine. We are all insane, but it's no good to think about how we feel all the time or to never think about that. Extremes have to be avoided as often as possible.
Yes extremes are not nice, but insane sometimes has sane merits and this can't be ignored. Some solutions sound insane but it is just inertia.
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Re: Artificial intelligence versus real intelligence
« Reply #363 on: 01/07/2018 16:56:24 »
Two things make us look insane: resistance to change and imagination, which is incidentally also about change. We look insane if we don't want to change our mind about something everybody thinks right, and we also look insane if we simply show that we have an idea that is completely different from the ones everybody has. In both cases though, it may nevertheless happen that we are right and everybody is wrong, which simply means that if nobody was ever insane, we would not be able to adapt to change.
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« Reply #364 on: 01/07/2018 17:03:24 »
Quote from: Le Repteux on 01/07/2018 16:56:24
Two things make us look insane: resistance to change and imagination, which is incidentally also about change. We look insane if we don't want to change our mind about something everybody thinks right, and we also look insane if we simply show that we have an idea that is completely different from the ones everybody has. In both cases though, it may nevertheless happen that we are right and everybody is wrong, which simply means that if nobody was ever insane, we would not be able to adapt to change.
So how does your point system work you are using to score me, that some posts you put 0 on ?

Hows my score ?

Is my observation insane ? or reasonable logic.

Messiah complex 0

Suicidal 0

Good start ?

Violent 0

Hostile 0

cognitive var (x)  ;)   sleep etc playing a role

Is it my imagination , that even if not you, there may be others reading this who may be evaluating my mental performance? 

It would be insane of me to rule that out right?

Unless I know somebody , my guard stays up , because for me to trust somebody 100%, that takes time to build.







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« Reply #365 on: 01/07/2018 17:16:19 »
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Hows my score ?
You're normal as far as resistance to change is concerned, but quite discrete in showing it. You're also normal as far as imagination is concerned, but quite expressive in showing it. Now to be fair, what about the score you give me?
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Re: Artificial intelligence versus real intelligence
« Reply #366 on: 01/07/2018 17:18:45 »
Quote from: David Cooper on 20/05/2018 20:57:27
The four categories that really matter are NGI (natural general intelligence), AGI (artificial general intelligence), NGS (natural general stupidity), and AGS (artificial general stupidity). Humans mostly have NGS, but a few have NGI. AGI is something we're trying to build, but most projects attempting to build it will more likely build AGS instead. The main difference between NGI and NGS is rigour - those who apply the rules of reasoning correctly qualify as NGI systems, while those who fail to do so (and who refuse to correct their errors regardless of how clearly their errors are shown to them) are classed as NGS systems. NGS is very much the norm, even amongst elite groups of highly qualified "experts". Most of them have no respect for reason whatsoever, apart from claiming to apply it while they fail to do so, in the exact same way religious people do when discussing imaginary gods. It is very hard to identify any NGI anywhere.

There is hope though, because with coming of AGI systems, it will be possible to force NGS systems to confront their errors - if you feed your rules into an AGI system and ask it to run them, it will not replicate the NGS's errors because AGI will apply those rules consistently rather than selectively and it won't fill the gaps with any magical thinking. All those NGS systems out there which pride themselves on being NGI will finally be shown up and will be shouted down by AGI in the same way they've spent hundreds of years shouting down the few people who actually are NGI systems.
The computers like 10 uears ago and now, have NGS. To cite my IT teacher:"All things are stupid, because they rely on our code. Even 'smartphones'. The only smart thing is that, what for example automatically learns and adaptes his code to achieve things."

This is what we do... If there weren't smart brains, there weren't things to mimic.
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Re: Artificial intelligence versus real intelligence
« Reply #367 on: 01/07/2018 17:21:32 »
Quote from: Le Repteux on 01/07/2018 17:16:19
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Hows my score ?
You're normal as far as resistance to change is concerned, but quite discrete in showing it. You're also normal as far as imagination is concerned, but quite expressive in showing it. Now to be fair, what about the score you give me?
I rate you quite normal, I see nothing out of the ordinary about you .   I hope you don't turn out to be a bot lol.
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Re: Artificial intelligence versus real intelligence
« Reply #368 on: 02/07/2018 15:05:05 »
I'm interested in studying my ideas, not my feelings. I do have some but I don't trust them. They come through our senses, which gather information about the environment, but they are information about what others think of us or what we think of them, so they have something to do with imagination since we can't read others' minds. Imagination has an astonishing property to change things, but it can also corrupt them if we begin to imagine that it is always right. Sexual perversion is a kind of corruption of our sexual instinct which happens when we begin using sexual feelings for something else than making babies for instance, and when our own imagination begins using our own feelings to know what we think about our own selves, it's a kind of corruption too. Imagination is useful when we use it to discover things or to create new ones or to learn, but it may become dangerous if we use it to replace our instincts or to exacerbate our feelings.

Saying that, I realize that it is probably my imagination that exacerbates my feelings when I suddenly get angry about my mother while we're just talking together. Instinct reacts to danger, and there is no danger in this case. It's as if a chain reaction was invading my brain while nothing dangerous is in view.
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« Reply #369 on: 02/07/2018 17:24:22 »
Quote from: Le Repteux on 02/07/2018 15:05:05
I'm interested in studying my ideas, not my feelings. I do have some but I don't trust them. They come through our senses, which gather information about the environment, but they are information about what others think of us or what we think of them,

Keep em guessing , never let any body know the real you unless you know them first.

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so they have something to do with imagination since we can't read others' minds. Imagination has an astonishing property to change things, but it can also corrupt them if we begin to imagine that it is always right.

Imagination is difficult to understand,  especially multiple imagination



 
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Sexual perversion is a kind of corruption of our sexual instinct which happens when we begin using sexual feelings for something else than making babies for instance,

Well you may find this interesting, a while back I was chatting up a women I knew from a while back .  All was going good until I realised she was a dominatrix, there was no way I would get with a women who wants to tie me up and stick a rampant rabbit where the sun don't shine. I would rather put pornhub on and get out some tissues.  Now I wonder if I was younger , would I have gone for it with that women?  I consider my age plays a factor now , watching paint dry more interesting that the sex thing, although if a fit women took her cloths off and said come on then, well what can I say I am a man.



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Saying that, I realize that it is probably my imagination that exacerbates my feelings when I suddenly get angry about my mother only while talking to her. Instinct reacts to danger, and there is no danger in this case. It's as if a chain reaction was invading my brain while nothing dangerous is in view.

I regret any argument I ever had with my mother or father,  anger is just an issue that be controlled by anybody. 

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