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Sum of energy in a deformation with water and gravity
« on: 29/04/2018 20:25:34 »
Hello,

I start a new thread, maybe it could be easier to understand my device. It is a device composed with water, polystyrene under gravity. It is not a cycle, I don't return to start, I study the sum of energy from the start to the end (deformation of the device). The blue color is water. At start, the device is fulled with polystyrene, there is near no water inside, just a small layer between walls. At final, there is 29% of water inside the device and 29% of polystyrene is outside. All the volumes are constant. The gravity is vertical.

An animation of the device:


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The device is unstable, I suppose there is an external device that control it and count all the energies out/in. I drew red dot for each white rectangle but I didn't use them. I drew 19 white rectangles but it is possible to have 100 or more, just respect 100 % of polystyrene at start and 71% of polystyrene at final (and 29% of water). Look at the center of gravity, it is always at the green dot when the device is deformed, so the water never win/lost a potential energy. But I need an energy to move in the water.

I fixed the upper corner and the right wall. I study only for a short deformation (from 45° to 43°):


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Thanks for your help :)




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Re: Sum of energy in a deformation with water and gravity
« Reply #1 on: 30/04/2018 12:47:57 »
No, it doesn't work with gravity and mass just with my theoretical device. I think it is because I use a relative reference for the attraction.
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Re: Sum of energy in a deformation with water and gravity
« Reply #2 on: 01/05/2018 07:46:22 »
Or like that:


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* t2.png (13.46 kB . 998x835 - viewed 2296 times)

Blue color is a liquid, water for example. White color is a matter, like polystyrene for example. All volumes are constant. I deform the device: from a parallelogram to a square. There is very few water inside the device, just to have pressure between the walls. Inside the container, I have a lot of white rectangles composed of polystyrene. Like the volumes are constant, I need to reduce the length of the white rectangles and increase their thickness. I move out from the right and I move in all along between the white rectangles, the pressure at right is greater than the mean all along the white rectangles.


* dt6.png (92.98 kB . 1000x836 - viewed 2257 times)

With more white rectangles:


* dy5.png (80.8 kB . 999x834 - viewed 2199 times)

No it doesn't work the sum of energy is well at zero with water and gravity. Only my theoretical device works. More time you wait more time they have...

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