[esquire (OP)]

photonic light is believed to exist at the 10^-19 power
gravity is is believed to exist at the 10^-39 power.

in linear momentum, gravity is thought to wrap twice around light,
to produce kinetic energy.

as the kinetic energy of light and gravity is captured and attempts to escape outward from the black hole,
light having a higher energy is retained by a higher winding of gravity. the black hole acts as a
gravity winding multiplier to the gravity component within kinetic energy.

the gravity of the black hole, traps light in the accretion disk around the black hole's horizon.
gravity by virtue of its low 10^-39 energy can escape the black holes gravity.
this takes the analogous form of a black box radiation, oozing gravity.

the accretion disk radiates the outward attraction of gravity, much in the same manner
that a black box radiates thermodynamic heat outward but produces no light.

the gravity of the black hole itself, strips the kinetic energy of the light and gravity
into two separate components. light by virtue of it's higher energy remains trapped.

the gravity of the kinetic energy escapes via a analogous black box gravity radiation.   

[evan_au]

It is true that the electromagnetic force is much stronger than the gravitational force.

gravity is thought to wrap twice around light, to produce kinetic energy.

Is this referring to the fact that the photon is a spin=1 boson, while a spin=2 boson would have the right properties for the (hypothetical) graviton?
But this has nothing to do with producing kinetic energy.

black box radiation

I think you mean black body radiation.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-body_radiation

how does gravity escape a BH?

In Einstein's general relativity, it doesn't have to.
- Einstein viewed gravity as a distortion in spacetime.
- Black holes form from massive stars at the end of their life.
- The gravitational distortion in spacetime was present during the massive star's lifetime (millions of years), extending millions of light-years in every direction.
- As the star runs out of fuel and collapses, the gravitational field at the center gets more intense, until even light can't escape.
- But the curvature of spacetime far beyond the black hole's event horizon remains unchanged. Gravity has already escaped.

But I think that you are talking about quantum gravity in the immediate vicinity of a black hole, and that is a theory with known problems - as is general relativity close to a black hole. So at present, the answer must be "No-one really knows, but a number of theoreticians are working on it".

[mad aetherist]

photonic light is believed to exist at the 10^-19 power
gravity is is believed to exist at the 10^-39 power.

in linear momentum, gravity is thought to wrap twice around light,
to produce kinetic energy.

as the kinetic energy of light and gravity is captured and attempts to escape outward from the black hole,
light having a higher energy is retained by a higher winding of gravity. the black hole acts as a
gravity winding multiplier to the gravity component within kinetic energy.

the gravity of the black hole, traps light in the accretion disk around the black hole's horizon.
gravity by virtue of its low 10^-39 energy can escape the black holes gravity.
this takes the analogous form of a black box radiation, oozing gravity.

the accretion disk radiates the outward attraction of gravity, much in the same manner
that a black box radiates thermodynamic heat outward but produces no light.

the gravity of the black hole itself, strips the kinetic energy of the light and gravity
into two separate components. light by virtue of it's higher energy remains trapped.

the gravity of the kinetic energy escapes via a analogous black box gravity radiation.

What is your gravity? Is it Einstein's bending of spacetime?

The aether explanation of gravity is that gravity is due to the acceleration of the aether inflow into mass where the aether is annihilated, the inflow streamlines converging towards the center of mass thusly giving a 1/RR relationship to the force.  The aether inflow acceleration is such that the aether inflow might hit the surface of the mass at a speed equal to the escape velocity.  At a BH that escape velocity will of course be greater than the speed of light at that surface (ie light cant escape). Note that i didnt say greater than c. Saying c can be confusing. Because c is usually taken to be the maximum speed of light in vacuum. Whereas when i said greater than the speed of light i meant the actual speed of light at that location, & the speed of light at that or any other location will be slowed by being near mass (in accordance with GR) & will be slowed by any atmosphere (eg plasma)(assuming that a BH can have an atmosphere).

But the speed of the gravitational attraction of a BH is not a problem for aetherists like myself.  We believe that the speed of the aether inflow is probly non-limited, aether can probly flow at speeds well above the speed of light.  But anyhow the speed of the aether is not the issue, the issue is the speed of the shockwaves or pulses in the aether flow.  Its a bit like comparing the speed of the wind to the speed of sound in air. The speed of "sound" in aether is we believe in excess of 20 billion c.  For gravity to be trapped in a BH the speed of the aether inflow into the BH would havtabe greater than 20 billion c.  I doubt that such a massive BH exists.

Re Einsteinian BHs, i dont understand these.  An Einsteinian BH hastabe massive enough such that light cant escape.  But if very massive then the speed of light near the BH will be zero kmps.  And if the speed of light near the BH is zero kmps then the Einsteinian BH doesnt need any mass at all, ie the needed mass is zero kg. So i guess that the needed mass for an Einsteinian BH is such that the speed of light near the BH is say c/2.  If so then the BH need not be very massive, & probly need not be a singularity.  In which case the BH would probly have an atmosphere, in which case the speed of light would be reduced by the nearness of mass plus the slowing in the atmosphere, a double dose of slowing, in which case the mass of the BH might need to be such that the speed of light near the BH is say c/4.  But Einsteinians i think keep insisting that their BH hastahav an escape velocity of c.  Go figure.

[Petrochemicals]

I thought the point was it doesnt dissipate, therefore it has a high gravity ?

[esquire (OP)]

In Einstein's general relativity, it doesn't have to.


- Einstein viewed gravity as a distortion in spacetime.

gravity distorts space time because it operates solely as an attraction force. space/time operates under a fluctuating EM wave pulsations that varies accordingly to the density of matter. as gravity doesn't repel matter, it alters and stabilizes EM fluctuations in space/time.


- Black holes form from massive stars at the end of their life.

not all BH's fall under this category, singularities are integral to Universe itself. without BHs being integral to the Universe immediatately after  the BB, EM force would have quickly disipated into an area void of time/space. the BB produced BH singularities. gravity governs form in the Universe

- The gravitational distortion in spacetime was present during the massive star's lifetime (millions of years), extending millions of light-years in every direction.

primodal massive stars in early the Universe, slowed the acceleration of the expansion of the Universe, as we know it. the early  massive stars slowed the proliferation of the EM force. we observe an accelerating Universe, as a result of smaller magnitudes in gravitional structures.

- As the star runs out of fuel and collapses, the gravitational field at the center gets more intense, "until even light can't escape."

as the core of the star increases in density. EM energy, atomic movement, becomes statically locked. the lack of momentum at the core weighs on it's outer layers. the dynamic gravitional pull of an immovable object, which is impenetrable, can results in a white neutron star which discards outer layers by spinning at unexplainable rates. the nuetron star is just one of many death of a star scenerios.   


- But the curvature of spacetime far beyond the black hole's event horizon remains unchanged. Gravity has already escaped.

The accretion disk, is an outer layer that adheres to the BH's gravity, it accumulates. as it accumulates, it compresses the EM force. this compression results in the slowly at an atomic motion/momentum level. as the atomic motion/momentum becomes locked, it is unable to further compress. this traps the EM force, but the gravitational force associated with it is not locked, it moves further outward, increasing the gravitational attraction of the BH/accretion disk/galaxy.

the gravity of the BH remains "unchanged".  the gravity of the accretion disk however is dynamic. the curvature of space/time, is evident as spiral EM fluctuations in our Galaxy.  as the BH attracts matter, it forms an accretion disk around it's event horizon. The increase in EM force around the BH, results in an increase in it's gravitational pull. this increase further warps time/space extending the gravitational reach . in the beginning, as the EM force coalesce around an immovable, impenetrable BH, it's movement swirls around the BH. This swirling momentum resulted in a spiral formation of time/space.



But I think that you are talking about quantum gravity in the immediate vicinity of a black hole, and that is a theory with known problems - as is general relativity close to a black hole. So at present, the answer must be "No-one really knows, but a number of theoreticians are working on it".

quantum gravity as a "momentum attraction" is neutral to EM force polarity. it's spin is bosonic. it does radiate outwards. it does accumulate. it doesn't transpire. it does dictate energy's form. 

what role does quantum gravity play in the interaction with matter and anti-matter?
gravity governs the form of all matter, then anti-gravity must govern the form of all anti-matter
it can then be postulated that the explosive potential between matter and anti-matter
is actually an explosive potential between gravity and anti-gravity, which makes it an interdimensional event. 

[esquire (OP)]

photonic light is believed to exist at the 10^-19 power
gravity is is believed to exist at the 10^-39 power.

in linear momentum, gravity is thought to wrap twice around light,
to produce kinetic energy.

as the kinetic energy of light and gravity is captured and attempts to escape outward from the black hole,
light having a higher energy is retained by a higher winding of gravity. the black hole acts as a
gravity winding multiplier to the gravity component within kinetic energy.

the gravity of the black hole, traps light in the accretion disk around the black hole's horizon.
gravity by virtue of its low 10^-39 energy can escape the black holes gravity.
this takes the analogous form of a black box radiation, oozing gravity.

the accretion disk radiates the outward attraction of gravity, much in the same manner
that a black box radiates thermodynamic heat outward but produces no light.

the gravity of the black hole itself, strips the kinetic energy of the light and gravity
into two separate components. light by virtue of it's higher energy remains trapped.

the gravity of the kinetic energy escapes via a analogous black box gravity radiation.

What is your gravity? Is it Einstein's bending of spacetime?

The aether explanation of gravity is that gravity is due to the acceleration of the aether inflow into mass where the aether is annihilated, the inflow streamlines converging towards the center of mass thusly giving a 1/RR relationship to the force.  The aether inflow acceleration is such that the aether inflow might hit the surface of the mass at a speed equal to the escape velocity.  At a BH that escape velocity will of course be greater than the speed of light at that surface (ie light cant escape). Note that i didnt say greater than c. Saying c can be confusing. Because c is usually taken to be the maximum speed of light in vacuum. Whereas when i said greater than the speed of light i meant the actual speed of light at that location, & the speed of light at that or any other location will be slowed by being near mass (in accordance with GR) & will be slowed by any atmosphere (eg plasma)(assuming that a BH can have an atmosphere).

But the speed of the gravitational attraction of a BH is not a problem for aetherists like myself.  We believe that the speed of the aether inflow is probly non-limited, aether can probly flow at speeds well above the speed of light.  But anyhow the speed of the aether is not the issue, the issue is the speed of the shockwaves or pulses in the aether flow.  Its a bit like comparing the speed of the wind to the speed of sound in air. The speed of "sound" in aether is we believe in excess of 20 billion c.  For gravity to be trapped in a BH the speed of the aether inflow into the BH would havtabe greater than 20 billion c.  I doubt that such a massive BH exists.

Re Einsteinian BHs, i dont understand these.  An Einsteinian BH hastabe massive enough such that light cant escape.  But if very massive then the speed of light near the BH will be zero kmps.  And if the speed of light near the BH is zero kmps then the Einsteinian BH doesnt need any mass at all, ie the needed mass is zero kg. So i guess that the needed mass for an Einsteinian BH is such that the speed of light near the BH is say c/2.  If so then the BH need not be very massive, & probly need not be a singularity.  In which case the BH would probly have an atmosphere, in which case the speed of light would be reduced by the nearness of mass plus the slowing in the atmosphere, a double dose of slowing, in which case the mass of the BH might need to be such that the speed of light near the BH is say c/4.  But Einsteinians i think keep insisting that their BH hastahav an escape velocity of c.  Go figure.

thank you for your response. I do read your post. I will respond further.

[esquire (OP)]

I thought the point was it doesnt dissipate, therefore it has a high gravity ?

if I understand your query properly. gravity is accumulative. the higher the density of mass/energy the higher the gravity potential. energy that has been compressed around a BH, becomes statically immobile on an atomic level making it impossible to escape the gravitational pull of the BH. as energy becomes compressed, the density makes it increasing impossible for "EM light" to escape,  any exchange of energy between atoms becomes impossible, making the escape of "light" impossible.  however gravity is nor subject to the compression of density, it merely get stronger and radiates outward as a "black body gravity radiation" .