[Hayseed (OP)]

Man's first and greatest tool.......a sharpened stick.  A stick with a pointy end.

For thousands of years, men have pointed their sharp sticks to the dark skies.

They have measured the direction, the angle and the time, to the light spots in the night sky.

And for the light spots that moved........everyone's pointy sticks showed that these moving lights traveled in a elliptic path around the sun.  Every one of them.

So, being good scientists, they started to mathematically study ellipses.  Have you ever done this....mathematically study an ellipse?  Some think that an ellipse is a simple thing, but they are not.  And with further close study, the planet ellipses are not perfect, they have small deviations, which are explained as anomalies.....external gravitational effects.

I would like to propose an alternate solution to an elliptical orbital path.  I believe this THIS is the way that nature makes an ellipse.

Mathematically an ellipse has two centers, or origins.  I believe that these two centers are located in the wrong position.  And I also believe that these two origins are perpendicular to each other.  AND, that one of the origins is moving.

So, to construct a natural ellipse, first draw the Main origin.  Will we use the center of the sun for this, but we need one more condition.  The radius that comes from the main origin(sun) can only swing in the sun's equatorial plane.  So take the average distance from the sun(we will use 93 million miles), and draw a center line around the sun at 93 M miles on the sun's plane.  Now, go to that center line, that center line, now becomes, the origin of the second circle of the ellipse.  Attach another radius the the center line.  This radius is about 1.5 millions miles long.  This radius is perpendicular the the first radius.  So, what we have is a radius of 93 M miles((R1) and another radius of 1.5 M miles(R2).  Again, these radii swing/sweep perpendicular to each other.

The real magic of this, is the rotational ratios.  For every one rotation of R1, we have one rotation of R2.

If we stand on the center line, and follow the earth around the sun for a year......the earth will rotate at a 1.5Mmile R from that center line one time.  So the earth's first rotation has a R of 1.5 M miles, which takes one year, and the earth's second rotation has a R of 93 M miles and takes one year.  Catty corner rotations.

So, a planetary orbit has TWO rotations.  And one origin is static and the other origin is moving.  The orbit is actually a CLOSED(circular) HELICAL path.  With a pitch of 1.

BUT.....if you look at the orbit from on top the sun, the path will APPEAR to be an ellipse......but in reality, it is a helix.   If we change the length of R2........we can vary the apparent flatness of the ellipse.  But as long as the rotational ratio remains at 1 to 1......it will appear as a ellipse.  Also.......the length of R2.....determines the inclination from the sun's equatorial plane.  AND the flatness of the "ellipse"........which really isn't there.

You can find the R2 of any planet.  Just take the perigee and subtract it from the apogee....this gives the diameter of the first R2 rotation.  Divide that by 2 for the R2 radius.

The other thing to consider is this.........all of the gravitational theories have to satisfy this elliptical path.........which is not there.


Nature's ellipse is much more elegant.  What a beautiful motion.

[evan_au]

draw a center line around the sun at 93 M miles on the sun's plane.  Now, go to that center line, that center line, now becomes, the origin of the second circle of the ellipse

By imagining a circle rolling around another circle, you are recreating the epicyclic theories that were the common wisdom before Kepler came up with his laws of planetary motion.

In those days, they thought that a circle was the only perfect shape, so they tried to reconstruct the motions of the planets in the sky as circles upon other circles. It didn't really work, and the theories kept getting more and more complex.
Copernicus' heliocentric theory was really not much better, because he, too, assumed that orbits were circular.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle

It was only Kepler's deduction that the orbits were ellipses that resolved the problem.

And Newton subsequently proved that since gravity follows an inverse square law, the orbits of planets and comets must be a "conic section", ie a circle, ellipse, parabola or hyperbola.
- Comets commonly follow an extremely elliptical orbit, so the diameter of your rolling circles cannot possibly describe this situation.
- Recently we discovered our first interstellar visitor, on a hyperbolic orbit. Your rolling circles cannot possibly describe this situation.
- Orbits cannot be a circle rolling on another circle...
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conic_section

[Hayseed (OP)]

The helical(not related to rolling) orbit that I described was confirmed by observing planetary moons flying thru volcanic/geyser debris fields.  The multiple orbital revolutions produce the pattern of debris into a torus.  Very similar to the new black hole photos.  I have also read that ring particles orbit in a similar manor, but with multiple rotations or pitch.  With very few collisions. I don't think the orbit of comets or asteroids are in orbital equilibrium.   And therefore not many left.....they loose momentum on every pass, because they don't helix.

The helical orbit conserves momentum.  They stay.  The rings stay too.

I do not recall any previous/ancient theory for this.  This is a newly realized dynamic.

[evan_au]

draw a center line around the sun at 93 M miles on the sun's plane.  Now, go to that center line, that center line, now becomes, the origin of the second circle of the ellipse

This models the assymmetric case where a low-mass object is orbiting a high-mass object.

You also need to cater for the near-symmetric case of colliding black holes & neutron stars as observed by LIGO. How would you compute a helical orbit for these?

Does this theory also account for gravitational radiation from the inspiral of massive objects?

The helical orbit conserves momentum.

The elliptical orbit conserves:
- Angular momentum around the focus
- (Total energy) = (gravitational potential energy) + (kinetic energy)
- I don't think you can say the same for helical orbits.