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Is There Credible Evidence That God Exists?

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Re: Is There Credible Evidence That God Exists?
« Reply #100 on: 11/05/2020 09:08:49 »
Quote from: duffyd on 11/05/2020 01:49:33
"We" dismissed that, did we?
Grow up.
I didn't say we all agreed it.
My intent was that it would be understood as "we- those who value logic over dogma-dismissed it".

But it doesn't really matter.
Once it's been dismissed-  and it has- there's no need to consider it further.
Quote from: duffyd on 11/05/2020 01:49:33
IOW, the translators made up out of whole cloth:
No.
The translators took the Latin text and translated it , understandably, into the most imposing English they could.

The language you or I read in the Bible is the words of the translators as much as that of Jesus (to the extent that any of it's actually Jesus).

Quote from: duffyd on 11/05/2020 01:49:33
I always thought Christ spoke those words originally, in another language, which were interpreted and translated holding to the transcripts word for word as closely as possible.
Then you are a bigger fool than I took you for.
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Re: Is There Credible Evidence That God Exists?
« Reply #101 on: 11/05/2020 15:28:38 »
Quote from: duffyd on 10/05/2020 13:07:52
Jesus is GOD.

There are 3 main Abrahamic religions, Judism, Christianity and Islam. Of the 3 only 1 claims Jesus is God, the others say he is not. Of the 3 different hypotheses, how will we decide which one represents the truth, or whether any of them represents the truth.
All the adherents to these religions claim that they have asked God to speak to them, and they believe he does; they believe he answers their prayer and they feel the same love and commitment to their beliefs as you do. They believe that their faith has a major impact on their lives. They all speak of the profound changes that are universally experienced and borne out in their lives. They display the same measurable brain changes as in the newly-fallen-in-love,  showing the same increases in neurotransmitters. Not proof, but showing that something real has happened in their lives.

Quote from: duffyd on 10/05/2020 13:07:52
I have wanted to show how there are scientifically valid reasons for what I believe. What I believe doesn't amount to a warm glass of spit w/o evidence.
I do not understand this statement. Faith does not require evidence, in fact the bible teaches against it “Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.”

Quote from: duffyd on 11/05/2020 03:04:39
I am not an expert giving testimony at a capital offense trial. I am not trying to be perfect. I think making perfectly "factually correct" statements in this case isn't necessary.

I don't believe anyone was in danger of committing heresy from my comment. Do you?
you cannot be serious!
This is not a question of heresy. You started this topic to discuss whether "Is There Credible Evidence That God Exists", now you tell us that we cannot rely on the accuracy of your statements. So is there any truth in the statements you have been posting here as evidence?

To the average reader who would take your post at face value, it is factually incorrect and misleading. Now you tell us you wrote it intentionally.

It is clear that you have no intention of entering into serious discussion on this topic

While I’ve been replying, this has been pointed out to me

Quote from: duffyd on 10/05/2020 17:49:52
"By the way, when I pointed out that you had misquoted, you accused me of lying and subsequently said you would not reply to me. That irritated me and in the heat of the moment I made the comment about my poor expectation of your replies; I stand by that comment, but given a moment of reflection I would have worded it differently." colin

IOW, you are an idiot, but I shouldn't have called you an idiot. If I had it to do over again, I'd call you a moron" Colin

You have put both these quotes in the same format and a reader would rightly assume that both are quotes of something I have said. However, only I am able to recognise that I have not said the second one.

This is deceitful and it would appear you have done the same to @bored and he has challenged you on this.

You have previously been put on notice not to evangelise/preach, yet in a recent post you say “Dag, am I preaching?” so you obviously recognise that you are.

Given that it is clear that you have no intention of entering into serious discussion on this topic and that your true intention appears to be to evangelise, we are locking this thread while we review your posting rights.

« Last Edit: 11/05/2020 15:38:54 by Colin2B »
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