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Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?

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Re: Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?
« Reply #20 on: 25/02/2021 00:12:54 »
Hi all, in response to the original question, if you are in the UK,
Then BC is correct in his response's, gas bills are indeed charged in pounds sterling for each KW/hr even if your meter measures imperial volumes or metric volumes of gas used.
Also BC is also correct in stating Joules would be used in the calculation of conversion (work heat equivalence )
1 Joule/sec = 1 Watt 
below is a link as to how this is calculated and the relevant gas regulations
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/gas-meter-readings-and-bill-calculation
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Re: Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?
« Reply #21 on: 25/02/2021 12:47:30 »
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Quote from: Colin2B on 24/02/2021 23:01:08
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/02/2021 22:58:12
Quote from: Colin2B on 24/02/2021 22:50:48
Others include Strangford Lough in Eire.
One day, perhaps.
I thought the turbine was working, must ask folks who sail there.
And I was thinking of a united Ireland.
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Re: Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?
« Reply #22 on: 25/02/2021 12:54:44 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/02/2021 23:17:46
Please name a unit of electrical energy that is not a unit of any other form of energy.
Why?
It would be beside the point.
In this context
Quote from: Halc on 24/02/2021 15:01:43
A kilowatt hour is a unit of electrical energy. If you're heating your house by gas, you're not getting energy in the form of kilowatts. 
the implication is that KWH are somehow "reserved" for electricity, and you can't use them for gas.
And that's incorrect- as I pointed out.

You seem tohave leapt to an unjustified conclusion about me not knowing how to convert units.

You can stop banging on about it now.
Even Halc has accepted that he was mistaken.
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Re: Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?
« Reply #23 on: 25/02/2021 14:07:51 »
Quote from: Halc on 24/02/2021 15:01:43
If you're heating your house by gas, you're not getting energy in the form of kilowatts. 
Absolutely true. You are getting your power in kilowatts.
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Re: Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?
« Reply #24 on: 25/02/2021 14:59:28 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/02/2021 12:47:30
And I was thinking of a united Ireland.
LOL
All this talk of hard & soft borders must have had me thinking the same way as well  :-[
A few months ago I was seriously wondering why they don’t just join the 2 together! Other than another blood bath I suppose.
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Re: Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?
« Reply #25 on: 25/02/2021 16:27:25 »
I've always been in favor of a united Ireland joining the Commonwealth. Reduced burden on the English taxpayer, in exchange for Test cricket and trading preferences. What's not to like? 
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Re: Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?
« Reply #26 on: 25/02/2021 20:27:30 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/02/2021 16:27:25
I've always been in favor of a united Ireland joining the Commonwealth. Reduced burden on the English taxpayer, in exchange for Test cricket and trading preferences. What's not to like?

Perhaps the trouble is, that some people in Northern Ireland, have deep visceral hatred of anything Irish.
If that's so, these people could never agree to become part of a United Ireland.

So. the only way a United Ireland could come about, would be this:

The Southern Irish people invade Northern Ireland. And massacre all the inhabitants.
Then the Southern Irish people move in en masse,  and entirely repopulate Northern Ireland with themselves.

That's how it used to work in Biblical times.  As will be revealed if you study the Old Testament.

However, would this work these days?



« Last Edit: 25/02/2021 20:29:39 by charles1948 »
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Re: Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?
« Reply #27 on: 25/02/2021 23:06:55 »
Instead of reading the bible, you could look at the facts. Northern Ireland is run by an incompetent bunch of violent criminals who are a burden on the British taxpayer and an embarrassment to democracy. The Assembly has spent more time in suspension than actually meeting since it was formed, and has only been reinstated thanks to the joint intervention of  the Dublin and Westminster governments.

The Irish Republic is rapidly emerging from a medieval theocracy into quite a pleasant place to be, where government corruption is primarily financial rather than based on violence, politicians meet and argue instead of walking away in a childish huff every year or so, the level of official incompetence is marginally less embarrassing than north of the border, and it is a burden on the EU, not the UK.   

Having done business both sides of the border for many years, I haven't noticed any significant differences between the people I deal with in either country.
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Re: Is a unit of energy the same, no matter how it is produced?
« Reply #28 on: 26/02/2021 00:10:16 »
could one of the moderators not involved comment/action on the suitability of the posts in this section of the forum.

Quote from: alancalverd on 25/02/2021 12:47:30
[
Quote from: Colin2B on 24/02/2021 23:01:08
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/02/2021 22:58:12
Quote from: Colin2B on 24/02/2021 22:50:48
Others include Strangford Lough in Eire.
One day, perhaps.
I thought the turbine was working, must ask folks who sail there.
And I was thinking of a united Ireland.
Quote from: Colin2B on 25/02/2021 14:59:28
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/02/2021 12:47:30
And I was thinking of a united Ireland.
LOL
All this talk of hard & soft borders must have had me thinking the same way as well  :-[
A few months ago I was seriously wondering why they don’t just join the 2 together! Other than another blood bath I suppose.
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/02/2021 16:27:25
I've always been in favor of a united Ireland joining the Commonwealth. Reduced burden on the English taxpayer, in exchange for Test cricket and trading preferences. What's not to like? 
Quote from: charles1948 on 25/02/2021 20:27:30
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/02/2021 16:27:25
I've always been in favor of a united Ireland joining the Commonwealth. Reduced burden on the English taxpayer, in exchange for Test cricket and trading preferences. What's not to like?

Perhaps the trouble is, that some people in Northern Ireland, have deep visceral hatred of anything Irish.
If that's so, these people could never agree to become part of a United Ireland.

So. the only way a United Ireland could come about, would be this:

The Southern Irish people invade Northern Ireland. And massacre all the inhabitants.
Then the Southern Irish people move in en masse,  and entirely repopulate Northern Ireland with themselves.

That's how it used to work in Biblical times.  As will be revealed if you study the Old Testament.

However, would this work these days?




Quote from: alancalverd on 25/02/2021 23:06:55
Instead of reading the bible, you could look at the facts. Northern Ireland is run by an incompetent bunch of violent criminals who are a burden on the British taxpayer and an embarrassment to democracy. The Assembly has spent more time in suspension than actually meeting since it was formed, and has only been reinstated thanks to the joint intervention of  the Dublin and Westminster governments.

The Irish Republic is rapidly emerging from a medieval theocracy into quite a pleasant place to be, where government corruption is primarily financial rather than based on violence, politicians meet and argue instead of walking away in a childish huff every year or so, the level of official incompetence is marginally less embarrassing than north of the border, and it is a burden on the EU, not the UK.   

Having done business both sides of the border for many years, I haven't noticed any significant differences between the people I deal with in either country.

As I do not believe this reflects well on the aims of this site.
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