[alancalverd]

Herd immunity is why we have a plague of grey squirrels and red squirrels are almost extinct.

[alancalverd]

an oncologist treats, cancer patients. He has direct experience of the affects of panic.

Are you saying that panic causes cancer? Does the Nobel Committee know  about your research?

[Bored chemist]

This is what an oncologist has to say about omicron panic

Yes, but he's saying it on GBN, so ...
He's described as an oncologist- which is, as you point out, a cancer specialist- and an infectious disease specialist- which pretty much rules out a specialism in cancer because cancers pretty much aren't infectious (you might catch one from an identical twin, I think).

He bangs on about how the omicron variant is less lethal- which is probably true. But he ignores the fact that the more cases of it we have, the more likely it is to evolve into something more  lethal.
Then he rehashes the idea that " viruses become less lethal with time".
That's true, but the mechanism isn't that the virus has read the text books and realises that it should be less lethal.
The reason is that, where a mutation makes the virus more lethal, it kills all the localhosts and wipes itself out.

So the mechanism for what's seen as this great "saviour"  is actually a lot of dead people.

He's misrepresenting that as being a good thing.
And he thinks Californians are the same as Floridians...
Do you understand how a man with dubious expertise, misrepresenting epidemiology on a z list TV channel manages the difficult achievement of being less credible than Boris?

I wonder if he has a patent on T-cell vaccines.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

an oncologist treats, cancer patients. He has direct experience of the affects of panic.

Are you saying that panic causes cancer? Does the Nobel Committee know  about your research?

Stress does cause cancer, directly and through bad living, but what the doctor oncologist said is this blind panic is causing nesesarry consultations, treatments and investigations in many life threatening conditions to be put on hold, giving corona presidence over things such as cancer.

[Bored chemist]

an oncologist treats, cancer patients. He has direct experience of the affects of panic.

Are you saying that panic causes cancer? Does the Nobel Committee know  about your research?

Stress does cause cancer, directly and through bad living, but what the doctor oncologist said is this blind panic is causing nesesarry consultations, treatments and investigations in many life threatening conditions to be put on hold, giving corona presidence over things such as cancer.

Do you understand what is actually happening?
Here's what a doctor said about it on facebook.

1) GPs are already seeing patients face to face, and have been throughout the pandemic. There are over a million primary care consults EVRY DAY in England, and nearly 60% are face to face.
2) One of the issues is that in the middle of a pandemic, with Covid cases on the rise, we should be able to decide which cases need to be seen face to face, using triage, for the safety of both our patients and our staff.
3) The other main issue is the lack of GPs and the pathetic inaction of the government to address the problem. Demand has gone through the roof recently and there simply aren't enough GPs to provide safe medical care.
4) The main response from the government is 'Here is an extra £3 per patient. See everyone face to face. We'll have league tables and publicly shame the bottom 25% of surgeries of people doing face to face appointments. Oh, and you need to tell your patients how much you earn.' None of this does anything to improve the care patients get.
5) The government somehow think that the problem can be solved by employing locum doctors. Just not foreign ones, because Brexit has removed their free movement. Just not the current ones, because they're already working flat-out, too. So there are probably some hidden somewhere, who aren't working, who can magically start working if Sad Jav wishes hard enough or something. And somehow this £3 per patient can pay the average locum sessional rate.
6) Lastly, there is no chance that GPs will 'walk-out' and the media know this. Industrial action will probably take the form of 'not declaring our earnings' or 'stop doing non-contractual work' or 'carry on triaging patients before appointments' - hardly something that is going to massively affect patient care.
So, when you see stories on the BBC, whose corporate bollocks are already in a fist-like grasp by the government, or on the websites of newspapers who sell advertising space to private medical companies, or on the social media pages of adult toddlers who think that forcing GPs to work 100 hours per week and cutting their pay will solve the Primary Care crisis, have a think. Have a think about the causes this situation. Have a think about how it has been allowed to develop. And have a think about whether you think the proposed solutions by Sad Jav will actually make any difference.

[alancalverd]

It isn't public panic that is reducing staff availabiltiy for other diseases, but the disease itself.

It is generally not a good idea to expose patients to infectious disease. Look what happened when a corrupt and incompetent Health Secretary insisted that hospitals should discharge infectious patients to unprotected nursing homes - he killed 60,000 perfectly healthy people. So hospitals insist that any actually or probably infected staff members take leave, and as hospital attendances rise, so the ability to treat anyone for anything decreases.

The answer to many questions is the same: don't wait to see how the fire spreads - if you smell smoke, land the plane. Not panic, just common sense.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

It isn't public panic that is reducing staff availabiltiy for other diseases, but the disease itself.

It is generally not a good idea to expose patients to infectious disease. Look what happened when a corrupt and incompetent Health Secretary insisted that hospitals should discharge infectious patients to unprotected nursing homes - he killed 60,000 perfectly healthy people. So hospitals insist that any actually or probably infected staff members take leave, and as hospital attendances rise, so the ability to treat anyone for anything decreases.

The answer to many questions is the same: don't wait to see how the fire spreads - if you smell smoke, land the plane. Not panic, just common sense.

You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.

This is all very fascinating, but the cock is crowing when it suits him at present. I haven't seen any news that states "mira le in the amazon, Manaus super city against Corona". One does have to wonder whether the media is fair and impartial or complete utter deceivers pushing their own agenda.

[Bored chemist]

Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 14:54:23
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
This is all very fascinating, but the cock is crowing when it suits him at present. I haven't seen any news that states "mira le in the amazon, Manaus super city against Corona". One does have to wonder whether the media is fair and impartial or complete utter deceivers pushing their own agenda.

Well, obviously I didn't say what that quote claims I did.
And the rest of his post makes no sense.
I wonder if he even looked at Portuguese language news or news from Brazil. That might be more reliable

Anyway, here's what the English language news said about the city
"The health system in Manaus, the capital of Amazonas state, in northwestern Brazil, has collapsed for the second time. Although hospitals have tried to keep up by adding more COVID-19 bed capacity and oxygen, the number of new patients with the coronavirus has continued to grow, leaving the entire health system overwhelmed and on the brink of collapse."

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20210204-second-wave-of-covid-19-hits-manaus-region-hard

And the current state of affaires is that they are vaccinating as fast as they can.
https://diaadianoticia.com.br/manaus-tera-22-pontos-de-vacinacao-contra-a-covid-19-funcionando-neste-sabado-18/

[alancalverd]

One does have to wonder whether the media is fair and impartial or complete utter deceivers pushing their own agenda.

I have little faith in the meeja, but I've been engaged recently in testing mobile MRI and CT units for Nightingale hospitals. Each time I ask the customer when they want the work done, the answer comes back "yesterday". You don't spend most of a million quid in a hurry for fun.

[Bored chemist]

You don't spend most of a million quid in a hurry for fun.

Apparently you do it so you can "be seen to be doing something".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56327214

[alancalverd]

Preferably not seen to be doing it. The East London Nightingale site was bought (at your expense) from a group who could not make any money from an exhibition centre under lockdown. I wonder which political party they support? 

Anyway it kept the army busy for a few weeks.