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Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?

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Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« on: 20/03/2022 11:57:03 »
The result of 83773fe32e4a390aca486d195853a3fb.gif = ∞ is inconsistent with ζ(-1) = -1/12. One can write this as: 83773fe32e4a390aca486d195853a3fb.gif not = ∞. Clearly an inconsistency! (Where [&#8734?] = ∞).

I saw a video where they happily plough with the contradiction.
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Re: Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« Reply #1 on: 20/03/2022 13:13:20 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 20/03/2022 11:57:03
I saw a video
Have you a link?
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Re: Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« Reply #2 on: 20/03/2022 13:37:05 »
Yes:


at timestamp: 35:28.
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Re: Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« Reply #3 on: 20/03/2022 14:06:25 »
This must have to do with analytic continuation of ζ(s). Can you call it analytic continuation if the continuation contains an expression with a pole in it?
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Re: Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« Reply #4 on: 21/03/2022 09:33:27 »
We must find the source of the inconsistency.
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Re: Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« Reply #5 on: 21/03/2022 11:32:07 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 21/03/2022 09:33:27
We must find the source of the inconsistency.
You should go ahead and find the source and then let us know.
Thanks.
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Re: Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« Reply #6 on: 22/03/2022 11:03:13 »
The source is: ζ(s) is just defined for Re(s) > 1, so we can simply not believe: 85428d630b74969e16b2552472c15dbc.gif.
 ([&#8734?] = ∞)
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Re: Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« Reply #7 on: 22/03/2022 16:19:23 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 22/03/2022 11:03:13
The source is: ζ(s) is just defined for Re(s) > 1, so we can simply not believe: 85428d630b74969e16b2552472c15dbc.gif.
 ([&#8734?] = ∞)
Thanks for finding the source.  So, I guess we are done here.
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Re: Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« Reply #8 on: 13/05/2022 13:24:50 »
We have ς (s) only defined for Re(s) > 1, and analytic continuation says: assign some values for ς(s) for Re (s) <= 1 that analytically follows from it's value for Re (s) > 1. These values are wholly determined from it's values for Re(s) > 1, so they need not be the same as expected from the definition of ς (s). We must take these values as an (inconvenient) fiction.
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Re: Is ζ(-1) = -1/12 Inconsistent?
« Reply #9 on: 13/05/2022 18:00:34 »
Hi.

The last post seems to have the right idea (minor issues with the way you phrased it - but that's not important).

Quote from: talanum1 on 13/05/2022 13:24:50
We have ς (s) only defined for Re(s) > 1
    It's only defined as  ζ(s)  =   5bec8138e6869c7cb04914c836106091.gif    when   Re(s) >1.         That's what I think you meant.

Quote from: talanum1 on 13/05/2022 13:24:50
We must take these values as an (inconvenient) fiction.
  ?  They are something but they aren't the infinite sum of the same series described above,  if that's what you meant.

Best Wishes.
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