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Quote from: Mr. Scientist on 31/10/2009 00:47:50Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/10/2009 06:59:15Quote from: Mr. Scientist on 29/10/2009 11:00:51Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/10/2009 06:53:54Physicists are currently working towards reducing the complexity of the Universe to just one law. They haven't got there yet but, at the moment, there seem to be just 3 forces involved.That's not very complex.Also, there are actually four forces.Electricity, magnetism, the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force and gravity.There are 5 basic forces but three of them can already be shown to be aspects of just one- the electro-weak force. (electricity and magnetism were "unified" by Maxwell.That, for those who can't count for themselves leaves (at most) 3.In the standard model, we do not account for magnetism and electric forces alone for they are known to be experimentally-unified, so you are wrong. There are by textbook definition, four fundamental forces of nature.Your veiw point is inconsistent.The electromagnetic and weak forces are experimentally known to be unified so you should accept that either you count the unified forces individually when there are five or you count the groups of unified forces in which case there are three.Lets be clear about this; I have listed all 5 and yet you say there are 4. If the GUT people are right then actually, there's only 1.Even 6 would be not very complex compared to a God.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/10/2009 06:59:15Quote from: Mr. Scientist on 29/10/2009 11:00:51Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/10/2009 06:53:54Physicists are currently working towards reducing the complexity of the Universe to just one law. They haven't got there yet but, at the moment, there seem to be just 3 forces involved.That's not very complex.Also, there are actually four forces.Electricity, magnetism, the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force and gravity.There are 5 basic forces but three of them can already be shown to be aspects of just one- the electro-weak force. (electricity and magnetism were "unified" by Maxwell.That, for those who can't count for themselves leaves (at most) 3.In the standard model, we do not account for magnetism and electric forces alone for they are known to be experimentally-unified, so you are wrong. There are by textbook definition, four fundamental forces of nature.

Quote from: Mr. Scientist on 29/10/2009 11:00:51Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/10/2009 06:53:54Physicists are currently working towards reducing the complexity of the Universe to just one law. They haven't got there yet but, at the moment, there seem to be just 3 forces involved.That's not very complex.Also, there are actually four forces.Electricity, magnetism, the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force and gravity.There are 5 basic forces but three of them can already be shown to be aspects of just one- the electro-weak force. (electricity and magnetism were "unified" by Maxwell.That, for those who can't count for themselves leaves (at most) 3.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/10/2009 06:53:54Physicists are currently working towards reducing the complexity of the Universe to just one law. They haven't got there yet but, at the moment, there seem to be just 3 forces involved.That's not very complex.Also, there are actually four forces.

Physicists are currently working towards reducing the complexity of the Universe to just one law. They haven't got there yet but, at the moment, there seem to be just 3 forces involved.That's not very complex.

"Please don't argue. I know there are by academic conjecture four fundemental forces of nature, whether or not they unify at sufficiently high enough temperatures."I'm not arguing.I'm just pointing out that there are five.MagnetismElecticityGravityThe weak force andThe strong forceIt's odd that you persist in saying there are only 4.Academic conjecture can do what it likes, but there's no way that you can count those 5 forces and only get 4.I know that 2 of them are both facets of electromagnetism but, as I said, if you don't count the unified ones individually then there are 3. The answer's not 4.Anyway- it hardly matters. A handfull of forces is still a lot less irreducibly complex than a God.

I think she or he meant it as ''electic'' rather than electricity itself.