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I agree If God makes you free, you have to make up your own mind about whats what. The only thing I think that is concrete is that you should be good not evil. But how do you know the difference, afterall the devil could ask you to give a hungry person a cheese sandwich, and you thinking its a good thing, give that poor/hungry person a cheese sandwich, that person then dies as they were alergic to cheese, and the devil laughts at that 'good' persons stupidity. You can know the difference between good and bad; you cant know if what your doing will have a good or bad outcome untill after the fact. So a good person should always consider the concequences of their actions and stop if they see somthing bad happening.
It just occured to me, but nobody has quoted anything from south park!The only place to truely learn about life and god, here are quotes from an episode:Stan: “Why would God let Kenny die, Chef? Why? Kenny’s my friend. Why can’t God take someone else’s friend?”Chef: “Stan, sometimes God takes those closest to us, because it makes him feel better about himself. He is a very vengeful God, Stan. He’s all pissed off about something we did thousands of years ago. He just can’t get over it, so he doesn’t care who he takes. Children, puppies, it don’t matter to him, so long as it makes us sad. Do you understand?”Stan: “But then, why does God give us anything to start with?”Chef: “Well, look at it this way: if you want to make a baby cry, first you give it a lollipop. Then you take it away. If you never give it a lollipop to begin with, then you would have nothin’ to cry about. That’s like God, who gives us life and love and help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it’s our tears, Stan, that give God his great power.”Stan: “I think I understand.”
Yes. Let us proclaim the mystery of faith!!Christ has died..Christ is risen..Christ will come again!! AND HERE I AM!!
Many of you feel that Jesus is God. This clearly is not the case Jesus is Gods greatest prophet. JOHN 1- 4.7-12'Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves is born of God(born again) and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE. This is how God showed his love among us: he sent his one and only son into the world so that we might live through him.......12 None has ever seen God; but if we love one another , God lives in us and his love is made complete in us'. It is quite clear that Jesus was not god. It is the father God, The son- the prophets and the Holy Sprite- your soul. GOD- JESUS- PEOPLE. THE FATHER-SON-HOLY SPRITE. Please reject hatred, and embrace LOVE.
idk but all of u had better strighten up....the myans have predicted that we would have cars, we would fly around in machines, and that we will go into space and on the moon. they were right about all those things but another prediction is yet to come...they predict that in 2015 there will be en epic event. this huge event could be the end of the world where we will find out if god is real or not...but it could also mean other things like a huge plague that kills millions or first contact with aliens or WW3 no1 knows
God is both willing and able, I think God just wants people to be good through choice not through slavery. Evil comes from Freedom but so does love- Its a choice. You are who you choose to be.So by giving us freedom God allows people to be evil as well as good- But God loves us and wants us to be good and free. If you use your gift of life to destroy others then- It is your funneral. I think God wants to save as many as possible so God gives enought time to each to decided what he/she wants to be- Angel or demon.Your choice- Your life- your death.God does'nt kill people- people do. You have your alotted time so use it as you want- You are in the end free.Well if your good your free- the Devil makes you his slave.
But God loves us
God is not a reason (as there is no God).
QuoteBut God loves usAnd also gives us Earthquakes, and Volcanoes, and Lightning Strikes, and Tsunamis, and Tornadoes, Flooding, Cylones, Hurricanes, disease, droughts and age-related illneses ...?
Quote from: Batroost on 19/04/2007 19:27:19God is not a reason (as there is no God).that is an extremely bold quote Batroost and my and i assume others probably dont appreciate that. You can express your opinion on this site but dont flat out say stuff like its a fact refer to it as your opinion. thx
Also a parting thought.. isn't the devil a "good guy." I mean think about it. If he is punishing those who "betray god" isn't he sort of like an employee? lol. Like a jailer is to the legal system?
yea i agrre with u there are many things that disprove god but there are also many that prove his existance
Ben6789.Sin is a Christian concept that only applies to the Christian religion and those taught "the word of god" within it. The concept of sin does not appear until late into the bible (Romans) where Paul interpreted it differently. He had to as without sinning Christianity would mean nothing i.e. Jesus would not have died for OUR sins. God never mentions sin in Genesis, where it was supposed to happen nor did Jesus mention it. Also one reason the Jewish religion does not believe in sin.The problem is that under the Christian religion there can be no salvation without sinning first as the whole Christian ideal depends on sin, redemption and being scared of God!So sin is relative to what you believe, or not as it does not affect all.Bee
God uses these catastrophes to turn people to him. Sin also causes all of those. So you can't entirly blame God. If there's a war..did God start that war? Or did people start that war? ..Or did natural sinful nature make us start that war?
Quote from: tony6789 on 20/04/2007 18:00:09yea i agrre with u there are many things that disprove god but there are also many that prove his existanceThis is a contradiction. You cannot simultaneously prove and disprove. What you can say is that there is evidence for, and evidence against; but proof implies an absolute for which there can be no contrary.
There is no evidence to believe in a god.
Most people substitute god for a gap in their knowledge.
It is true that you can't disprove god. Especially if you use the word god in a way that is ambiguous and unclear. That said just because something can't be disproven doesn't mean that the chances of it being true are 50/50. I would say given my currently knowledge of the cosmos I think it is highly unlikely a god (personal deity who answers prayers etc) exists.
Clearly untrue?Can you give me the evidence for believing in a god. I don't mean reasons why people believe. I know many reasons why people believe. I am saying when you look for evidence there is a severe lack of it.
It always ends up coming down to faith. The god hypothesis has nothing to back it up. At least string theory has some fancy maths.
Science for me answers questions that start with the word how. How did this happen? How did that come to be? for questions that start with why then I would perhaps look elsewhere. I am under the impression that the universe doesn't owe me a why. Why are we hear? Why is there something rather than nothing?
As for quantifying the sources or error in prediction the absence of a god. I would need a strict definition of the word god. With the multitude of definitions people give that word it makes the word almost meaningless. If god is what you call the wonder of nature then I am a believer. If you define god as the god of the bible then I am an atheist and not worried at all about going to hell.
Just a quick addition. Thanks for the reply George. You always make good points.
Lets bring this debate to a close:No scientist can claim that there is no GOD.As Feynman said- 'If it does not comply with experiment it is not science'-
WHERE SCIENTISTS IS YOUR EXPERIMENT TO PROVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST- You do not have one- you have no proff- No experiment- So that being the case any scientist that says there is no god- Is really not a scientist- Point in Fact.
Atleast Feynman realised he had been a moron and repented.
and JESUS is free- to be who he wants to be- who are any of you to say how he will act or what he will say or do or dress- You all have some deluded fantasy of Jesus- Hopefully some of you will look when the time comes with open eyes and a loving heart. and not be blinded by your illusion.P.s No one can garentee you a place in heaven- anyone says they can is working for satan. God decides no-one else.
Paul grow up. Its not my problem if you dont understand what I have said. And to say what you just did, shows you havent understood.
has nothing to do with that I see spelling mistakes and add to comments to improve them others edit theres as well- your comment is unvalid- trying to make out im cheating or somthing- silly I do not alter my text I correct the spelling mistakes and add to the text- on occasion I swap words around as it reads better. But then if you dont bother reading it whats the difference. I do not see the point in creating loads of new boxes it makes the forum huge- when it does not need to be and gives you a huge post count- I could careless about my post count.